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Pat Cranshaw, actor ("Old School") dead at 86
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d***@comcast.net
2005-12-30 19:07:07 UTC
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'Old School' actor Pat Cranshaw dead at 86
FORT WORTH, Texas, Dec. 30 (UPI) -- Actor Patrick Cranshaw, who played
the elder fraternity brother "Blue" in "Old School," has died in Fort
Worth, Texas. He was 86.

Cranshaw died of natural causes Wednesday at his home, the Dallas
Morning News reported Friday.

Cranshaw was a popular character actor but his star really rose in the
twilight of his career with roles in "Herbie: Fully Loaded" and the
"Air Bud" movies.

But it was his scene-stealing turn as "Blue" in the hit Will Farrell
comedy "Old School" that turned Cranshaw into a bonified Hollywood
star, the newspaper noted.

Cranshaw could hardly go anywhere without hearing Ferrell's signature
line from the film, "You're my boy, Blue," his daughter told the
newspaper. "It's like he became a rock star in his 80s."

Cranshaw had recently returned home to Fort Worth from shooting another
installment in the "Air Bud" series.

He is survived by two daughters and one son.
d***@comcast.net
2005-12-30 19:10:28 UTC
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Not my boy, Blue! The last week of 2005 has been bad for character
actors- Vincent Schiavelli, Michael Vale, & now Pat Crenshaw.
Scott Brady
2005-12-30 19:25:50 UTC
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Post by d***@comcast.net
Cranshaw was a popular character actor but his star really rose in the
twilight of his career with roles in "Herbie: Fully Loaded" and the
"Air Bud" movies.
But it was his scene-stealing turn as "Blue" in the hit Will Farrell
comedy "Old School" that turned Cranshaw into a bonified Hollywood
star, the newspaper noted.
I remember him best from the '70s prison sitcom "On the Rocks"--which,
in retrospect, was probably crap.
Cher
2005-12-30 19:28:14 UTC
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Post by Scott Brady
I remember him best from the '70s prison sitcom "On the Rocks"--which,
in retrospect, was probably crap.

You're ahead of me. I think I remember him from "Alice"
Glitter Ninja
2005-12-30 23:31:20 UTC
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Post by Scott Brady
Post by Scott Brady
I remember him best from the '70s prison sitcom "On the Rocks"--which,
in retrospect, was probably crap.
You're ahead of me. I think I remember him from "Alice"
I loved Cranshaw! He was playing old geezers when I was a kid. He's
been in everything! I last saw him in "Best of Show", but had seen him
pretty recently in an episode of "Monk". I think I first saw him on
"Bob Newhart" or a short-lived 80s show called "Best of the West" when I
was a kid. Sorry to see him go.

Stacia
d***@comcast.net
2005-12-30 19:29:16 UTC
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I remember him best from the '70s prison sitcom "On the Rocks"--which,

in retrospect, was probably crap.

I remember that show! Cranshaw also appeared in the 1967 stinker, "Mars
Needs Women".
King Daevid MacKenzie
2005-12-31 06:00:24 UTC
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Cranshaw also appeared in the 1967 stinker, "Mars Needs Women".
...good ghawd, is that a memorable hunk of cheese. The Red Planet needs
women for reproduction, and who do they send on the mission? Tommy Kirk!
Notice anything wrong with _that_ casting? ;-) ...
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heard occasionally at http://www.radio4all.net
"You can live in your dreams, but only if you are worthy of them." HARLAN
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James Neibaur
2005-12-31 06:03:49 UTC
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King Daevid MacKenzie 12/31/05 12:00 AM
Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
The Red Planet needs
women for reproduction, and who do they send on the mission? Tommy Kirk!
Notice anything wrong with _that_ casting?
Tommy says that Walt Disney once actually told him, to his face, "You better
start liking girls, and fast!"

Some things in showbiz are better today than they were then.

JN
Tregembo
2005-12-30 19:47:15 UTC
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Post by Scott Brady
Post by d***@comcast.net
Cranshaw was a popular character actor but his star really rose in the
twilight of his career with roles in "Herbie: Fully Loaded" and the
"Air Bud" movies.
But it was his scene-stealing turn as "Blue" in the hit Will Farrell
comedy "Old School" that turned Cranshaw into a bonified Hollywood
star, the newspaper noted.
I remember him best from the '70s prison sitcom "On the Rocks"--which,
in retrospect, was probably crap.
I watched "Sgt. Pepper's L H C B" for the first time the other day and my
daughter screamed, "THAT'S BLUE!"

Ray Arthur
James Neibaur
2005-12-30 23:18:35 UTC
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Tregembo 12/30/05 1:47 PM
Post by Tregembo
I watched "Sgt. Pepper's L H C B" for the first time the other day and my
daughter screamed, "THAT'S BLUE!"
I also saw the movie for the first time on IFC recently. My god what a
terrible movie!

JN
King Daevid MacKenzie
2005-12-31 05:58:41 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by Tregembo
I watched "Sgt. Pepper's L H C B" for the first time the other day and my
daughter screamed, "THAT'S BLUE!"
I also saw the movie for the first time on IFC recently. My god what a
terrible movie!
...and an even worse soundtrack album. Earth Wind & Fire's version of "Got
to get you into my life" is the only truly great track on it, if for no
other reason than it doesn't try to copy The Beatles' original
arrangement...

...that movie also ran on Sundance Channel this week. I'm still trying to
figure out how a Universal/Paramount/Robert Stigwood-produced movie
qualifies as an "independent film." TIMES SQUARE is the only Stigwood
production that could ever qualify as an indie item (and even its flawed
release version is light years ahead of SGT. PEPPER'S in quality)...
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"You can live in your dreams, but only if you are worthy of them." HARLAN
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James Neibaur
2005-12-31 06:02:08 UTC
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King Daevid MacKenzie 12/30/05 11:58 PM
Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
...and an even worse soundtrack album. Earth Wind & Fire's version of "Got
to get you into my life" is the only truly great track on it, if for no
other reason than it doesn't try to copy The Beatles' original
arrangement...
Neither did George Burns.

I don't like Earth Wind and Fire and didn't like their version of Got To Get
You Into My Life any better than the Gibbs or Paul Nicholas.

I remember when the movie came out it. My friends who saw it all told me
not to waste my time or money. Now I finally got around to seeing it, some
25 years later. It was as bad as any movie ever made.

JN
R H Draney
2005-12-31 06:59:29 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
King Daevid MacKenzie 12/30/05 11:58 PM
Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
...and an even worse soundtrack album. Earth Wind & Fire's version of "Got
to get you into my life" is the only truly great track on it, if for no
other reason than it doesn't try to copy The Beatles' original
arrangement...
Neither did George Burns.
I don't like Earth Wind and Fire and didn't like their version of Got To Get
You Into My Life any better than the Gibbs or Paul Nicholas.
Another advantage the Earth Wind & Fire track had going for it was that they
didn't try to work it into what some called the "plot"...they just got up on a
stage and did it in a concert scene....
Post by James Neibaur
I remember when the movie came out it. My friends who saw it all told me
not to waste my time or money. Now I finally got around to seeing it, some
25 years later. It was as bad as any movie ever made.
I showed it to my mother a few weeks ago...now she's mad at me, not because it
was such a stupid movie, but because with the closed-captioning turned on, she
now realizes she's been singing the wrong words to Beatles songs for years....

Still, it does have a few saving graces:

1) the closing number, where you can play "spot the faces" (or as a trigger for
weird trivia questions like "in what movie will you find a scene that includes
both Carol Channing and Jose Feliciano?")...

2) the fact that Aerosmith actually found it necessary to apologize to their
fans for appearing in it....

3) the inside joke of having the weathervane come to life in the person of Billy
Preston (singing "Get Back" on a rooftop, wink wink nudge nudge)....

4) Sandy Farina is just so darn *cute*!...

5) "Golden Slumbers" with Frampton weeping over the coffin, followed by the
pallbearers approaching to carry it away...anyone familiar with the song
sequence on Abbey Road is thinking "oh, they're *not* going to do 'Carry That
Weight' for *this*, are they?!"...and of course they do....r
Cher
2005-12-31 18:53:08 UTC
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Sound like Pat had a very interesting life with a very tragic ending.
Jim Beaver
2005-12-30 22:42:01 UTC
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Post by d***@comcast.net
'Old School' actor Pat Cranshaw dead at 86
FORT WORTH, Texas, Dec. 30 (UPI) -- Actor Patrick Cranshaw, who played
the elder fraternity brother "Blue" in "Old School," has died in Fort
Worth, Texas. He was 86.
I never saw "Old School," but Pat was a friend of mine, another alumnus of
my theatre company, Theatre West. I didn't know him real well, but for many
years, off and on.

When I was a teenager, there was a poster going around of an old toothless
geezer in a flight helmet, with the caption "Sleep tight tonight... Your Air
Force is awake." I mentioned once to Pat that he looked like the guy in the
photo, and he said, "That's me!" Well, he was sort of right. Apparently
there was a different guy in the original photo (see story and pic at
http://www.j-a-associates.com/old_geezer.htm) but the photo was duplicated
and replicated many times over the years. The poster I had is not the one
in the above-listed web story, but was a copy version and the geezer in it
really was Pat Cranshaw.

I did a screenplay reading a year or so ago for a proposed movie with Jamie
Foxx (before "Ray" -- as far as I was concerned, he was just some standup
comic). Pat played an old geezer named Mr. Lynch, and practically stole the
reading. It was a small part, but he had everyone on the floor. I never
saw the movie -- released in 2004 as "Breakin' All the Rules," but I imagine
Pat probably stole a chunk of it, too.

I really enjoyed seeing his big number "Enjoy Yourself (It's Later Than You
Think)" as Grandpa in Woody Allen's "Everyone Says I Love You." He had a
long, long career with only occasional breakout parts, and I was glad to see
him get a nice piece in this movie.

As I said, I didn't know him well, but he was a sweet man and terrific comic
timing. RIP.

Jim Beaver
Jim Beaver
2005-12-30 22:54:51 UTC
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Post by d***@comcast.net
'Old School' actor Pat Cranshaw dead at 86
FORT WORTH, Texas, Dec. 30 (UPI) -- Actor Patrick Cranshaw, who played
the elder fraternity brother "Blue" in "Old School," has died in Fort
Worth, Texas. He was 86.
Following up my previous post: someone on the IMDb who is a relative of
Cranshaw's related the news that his son shot and killed several people in
the small town of Sage, Texas before turning the gun on himself last
September. I haven't been able to find a news story to confirm this.

Jim Beaver
d***@comcast.net
2005-12-30 23:10:19 UTC
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Following up my previous post: someone on the IMDb who is a relative
of
Cranshaw's related the news that his son shot and killed several people
in
the small town of Sage, Texas before turning the gun on himself last
September. I haven't been able to find a news story to confirm this.

This is probably the story-


Gunman kills self after shooting four at rural church
LAST UPDATE: 8/30/2005 4:08:25 AM

SASH, Texas (AP) - Dorothy Pior points to where bullets ricocheted off
her house as a one-armed gunman chased a couple from the Sash Assembly
of God church parking lot during a shooting rampage that left four dead
before he took his own life.

Pior and her husband, Grady, weren't home Sunday night when the
shooting began, but when they returned home and saw sheriff's deputies
cars blocking the road to their house, they feared the worst.

Pior said she turned to her husband and said: "Oh my God, Grady. He's
cracked."

She was talking about her next-door neighbor, Freddie Cranshaw, who in
recent months had threatened the Piors and church members by shouting
obscenities at them, leaving strange notes on car windshields and
shooting his gun in the air from his yard.

Cranshaw, 54, gunned down pastor James Armstrong and church leader Wes
Brown in the church parking lot before heading down the road, where he
shot and killed two women who had stopped their truck and horse trailer
at an intersection not too far from the church.

"They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time," Fannin County
sheriff Kenneth Moore said.

Cranshaw then barricaded himself in his house across the street from
the church, shooting at officers during a nine-hour standoff that ended
Monday when he shot himself in the head.

The couple who escaped, Debbie and Kenneth Wolfe, called 911, and told
officers that they last saw the pastor's wife taking shelter behind a
travel trailer on the church property - the Armstrong's home. She
survived the shooting.

"I know the man walked back and forth several times shooting," Debbie
Wolfe told The Paris (Texas) News. "The Lord protected her."

The Wolfes said Cranshaw approached them, the Armstrongs and Brown as
they stood outside the church talking after services, church spokesman
Larry Allgood said. Cranshaw and Brown exchanged words, and then Brown
asked Cranshaw to leave.

Cranshaw, who was missing part of his right arm because of an apparent
birth defect, returned a short time later and shot Brown, 61, and then
Armstrong, 42. He then chased the Wolfes, who ran about a half-mile
through a wooded area to Wolfe's grandmother's house, The Paris News
reported.

The women who were shot - Ceri Litterio, 46, of Fannin County and Holly
Love Brown, 50, of Greenville - were two friends who were returning
home after a weekend of riding horse trails together, Moore said. Holly
Brown is not related to Wes Brown, Moore said.

When Cranshaw began shooting at their truck, the women vainly tried to
escape out the passenger's side, witnesses told police.

"The witnesses said they could hear the women screaming," Moore said.

Along the way, Cranshaw's bullets hit the Piors' home - two shots on
their porch steps, one on a border around a window, another on a spot
below another window.

The couple said they had called police a couple of times about
Cranshaw's disturbing behavior. He would shout obscenities at them and
fire a gun while standing in his own yard. But authorities never
arrested Cranshaw, since he stayed within the bounds of his property,
Grady Pior said.

Pior said he'd even started carrying a gun with him when he mowed his
yard in case he had a confrontation with Cranshaw.

"He's the only person in my life that I've had a strange feeling
about," Pior said.

After talking with church members, the Piors said they learned that
Cranshaw had left rambling, nonsensical notes on their cars, and would
curse and yell at them as they were leaving services.

Cranshaw, who at one time lived in Garland and worked on radios for
antique cars, moved into the home about 2 1/2 years ago, Pior said.
Cranshaw had become reclusive in the past six months, staying in his
home for weeks at a time, he said.

Pior said he feels that if he and his wife had been home Sunday night,
Cranshaw would've come after them.

"He wasn't normal, but he knew right from wrong. He was more like a
bully," Dorothy Pior said.

During the long standoff, a 10-member SWAT team made two attempts to
enter the home, but retreated when Cranshaw shot at them, Moore said.
Police finally entered the house about 6 a.m. after firing tear gas
inside.

Cranshaw was found in a bedroom with a gunshot wound to head, Moore
said. A 9 mm semi-automatic pistol, the same type of gun used to shoot
the women, was found near his right hand, along with his prothesis for
his arm, Moore said. A .38-caliber revolver, the kind used to shoot the
church members, was found inside the home, as well as a shotgun, a
rifle and ammunition for each.

Moore said the shootings have obviously shaken Sash, a community of 300
people about 120 miles north of Dallas, near the Oklahoma state line.

"It's a tragic situation," Moore said. "It's tragic for the people who
live in the community, and it's tragic for law enforcement too."
Jim Beaver
2005-12-30 23:15:35 UTC
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Post by Jim Beaver
Following up my previous post: someone on the IMDb who is a relative of
Cranshaw's related the news that his son shot and killed several people in
the small town of Sage, Texas before turning the gun on himself last
September. I haven't been able to find a news story to confirm this.
This is probably the story-
Gunman kills self after shooting four at rural church
LAST UPDATE: 8/30/2005 4:08:25 AM
SASH, Texas (AP) - Dorothy Pior points to where bullets ricocheted off
her house as a one-armed gunman chased a couple from the Sash Assembly
of God church parking lot during a shooting rampage that left four dead
before he took his own life.
Ah, that's it. I was looking for Sage, not Sash, Texas. Incidentally,
someone else on the IMDb had mentioned that Pat Cranshaw had a child born
without a hand. This is reflected in the news story you posted. Thanks.

Jim Beaver
Brad Ferguson
2005-12-31 05:07:38 UTC
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Post by d***@comcast.net
But it was his scene-stealing turn as "Blue" in the hit Will Farrell
comedy "Old School" that turned Cranshaw into a bonified Hollywood
star, the newspaper noted.
Wow. Does bonification hurt much?

I didn't see "Old School." Here's a pic for others like me:

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He played Sofia Milos' 93-yr-old husband in a 2003 episode of "ER,"
which is why they're together in the pic.
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