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Anthony Franciosa
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Bianca
2006-01-20 20:05:01 UTC
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Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
Brad Ferguson
2006-01-20 21:02:42 UTC
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Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
God, yes. Valentine had a shower in his office. That was so cool --
even cooler than the Farmer's Daughter Stair Chair. The show lasted
only a season (1964-65) but the shower will, er, run forever.

(I tweaked the header slightly. I think people know Franciosa better
as Tony.)
d***@comcast.net
2006-01-20 21:06:37 UTC
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Anthony Franciosa Dies at Age 77 By BOB THOMAS, Associated Press Writer





LOS ANGELES - Anthony Franciosa, whose strong portrayals of moody,
troubled characters made him a Hollywood star in the 1950s and '60s but
whose combative behavior on movie sets hampered his career, has died,
his publicist said Friday. He was 77.



Franciosa died Thursday at UCLA Medical Center after suffering a
massive stroke, publicist Dick Guttman said. The actor's wife of more
than 35 years, Rita, and other family members were present.

Franciosa was part of a new wave in the mid-20th century who
revolutionized film acting with their introspective, intensely
realistic approach to their roles. Most of them were schooled in the
method acting of New York's Actors Studio. They included Marlon Brando,
James Dean, Rod Steiger, Shelley Winters and Paul Newman.

Franciosa was once married to Winters, who died last weekend.
From his first important film role as the brother of a drug addict in
"A Hatful of Rain," Franciosa became known for his portrayals of
complicated young men. He received a 1956 Tony nomination for his
performance in the role he created on Broadway, then an Oscar nod. In
1957, the actor appeared in three other films, "This Could Be the
Night," "A Face in the Crowd" and "Wild Is the Wind."

Franciosa's career continued in high gear with such films as "The Long
Hot Summer," "The Naked Maja" (as Goya), "The Story on Page One,"
"Period of Adjustment," "Rio Conchos" and "The Pleasure Seekers."

The actor's behavior on movie productions became the subject of
Hollywood gossip. The stories alleged fiery disputes with directors,
sulks in his dressing room, outbursts with other actors.

"I went out to Hollywood in the mid-1950s," he remarked in a 1996
interview, "and I would say I went there a little too early. It was an
incredible amount of attention, and I wasn't quite mature enough
psychologically and emotionally for it."

Franciosa's assertive attitude extended beyond movie stages; in 1957 he
served 10 days in the Los Angeles County jail for slugging a press
photographer. His reputation contributed to the downturn in Hollywood
offers, and his career veered to European-made films and television.

His first TV series, " Valentine's Day," cast him as a swinging New
York publishing executive involved in numerous romances. It lasted one
season (1964-'65).

In "The Name of the Game" (1968-71) Franciosa alternated with Gene
Barry and Robert Stack as adventurous members of a Los Angeles
publishing firm. In 1971 the producing company, Universal Pictures,
fired him from the series, charging erratic behavior. He countered that
the company had treated him badly and demanded that he take a pay cut.

The 1975 TV series "Matt Helm," with Franciosa as a wisecracking
detective, was canceled after half a season.

He was born Anthony Papaleo in October 1928, in New York City. He was 1
when his father disappeared, and the boy grew up tough in Manhattan
slums. "Getting in the first blow was something I learned in
childhood," he said in an interview.

After working in odd jobs and sometimes sleeping in flophouses, at 18
he attended an audition for actors at the YMCA. and was chosen for two
plays. He later studied at the Actors Studio and the New School for
Social Research. Adopting his mother's maiden name, Franciosa, he began
getting roles in television and the theater. "A Hatful of Rain" made
him a star.

Besides Winters, Franciosa was married to writer Beatrice Bakalyar and
real estate agent Judy Kanter, with whom he had a daughter, Nina. His
lasting marriage was to Rita Thiel, a German fashion model. They had
sons Christopher and Marco.
Kent
2006-01-20 21:36:50 UTC
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Post by Brad Ferguson
(I tweaked the header slightly. I think people know Franciosa better
as Tony.)
That was my question. I have him listed on my site as Tony Franciosa
because basically that's how I always heard him referred to when I was
growing up. (I don't know that I've seen him in a lot of movies or shows.)
So now that he's died and I look around, it seems he's referred to
everywhere in print (and even in his movie credits) as Anthony Franciosa.
But to me, it just doesn't sound right.

Kent
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danny burstein
2006-01-21 09:21:40 UTC
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Post by Brad Ferguson
Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
(I tweaked the header slightly. I think people know Franciosa better
as Tony.)
And in honor of his death, I just pulled out
my DVD copy of "Fathom",

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061653/

Ok, I'll admit it.. I just wanted an excuse
to watch Raquel Welch again.
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Auburn Annie
2006-01-20 21:06:44 UTC
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Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
Oh, I do - loved the show, with the late great Jack Soo as well. I
found this review at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057795/ :


Tony Franciosa is a highly capable actor who has not appeared in much
in recent years. I suppose that he is best recalled for his handling
one of the recurring lead roles on THE NAME OF THE GAME with Gene Barry
and Robert Stack. But he is equally good in comedy as well as drama,
and in 1964 he made this series, VALENTINE'S DAY, about a publishing
executive in New York City, who has misadventures due to his family,
friends, and himself (due to his many girlfriends). But above all his
valet and confidant, Rocky Sin, causes many problems. Rocky is always
looking for a fast buck, and frequently drags Valentine into schemes he
has little interest in.

Most of this sounds like hundreds of preposterous television sit-coms
of the 1950s through the 1970s. This was the type of artificial stuff
that made Newton Minnow label television "a vast wasteland". But if the
material was handled correctly it was frequently very, very funny. On
VALENTINE'S DAY you had Mr. Franciosa doing his damnedest to bring life
to the film - and doing it well. He was widely abetted by Jack Soo as
Rocky Sin.

Soo had made his name in Rodgers and Hammerstein's THE FLOWER-DRUM
SONG, both on stage and screen. Then he appeared in other films like
THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE (he is one of Bea Lillie's two minions - with
Pat Morita - who at one point do an impromptu sand dance to "Japanese
Sandman"). Here he took his superb comic skills and aided in filling
out the artifice of the scripts.

It also helped that the scripts were well written for a change. In one,
Valentine's mother is coming for a visit the same day that an important
book reviewer is coming. Years before they had an affair, but it ended
in mutual recriminations. When the mother sees her old boyfriend she
says, "It's amazing what the morticians accomplish. You'd swear he's
alive!" That kind of dialog was rare in 1964 sitcoms.

One of my favorite episodes deals with Soo trying to get a restaurant
started with Valentine backing it. It's an expensive proposition, and
Franciosa is properly dubious about it. Franciosa and his various
friends come to the restaurant, and the experience turns into a
disaster. But another man who comes in is an elderly Chinese gentleman,
who in looking over the menu latches onto one item. His face positively
beams, and he orders (and keeps repeating the order), "Blueberry
Blintzes". In the end the restaurant is started with the backing of the
elderly Chinese gentleman, not Franciosa.

Despite the chemistry of Franciosa and Soo, and the wit brought to the
scripts, the show lasted only one year. Both stars went on to other
work, but it was the first comedy on television for Soo, and in Rocky
Sin one gets glimmers of that outstanding police officer, Detective
Yamana on BARNEY MILLER.
d***@comcast.net
2006-01-20 21:09:13 UTC
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I remember the 1975 Matt Helm TV series. My dad was disappointed that
they made Helm a private eye instead of a spy, like the books.
aka Bob
2006-01-20 21:10:27 UTC
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Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/01/20/ap2465153.html

Associated Press

Update 2: Anthony Franciosa Dies at Age 77

By BOB THOMAS , 01.20.2006, 03:21 PM

Anthony Franciosa, whose strong portrayals of moody, troubled
characters made him a Hollywood star in the 1950s and '60s but whose
combative behavior on movie sets hampered his career, has died, his
publicist said Friday. He was 77.

Franciosa died Thursday at UCLA Medical Center after suffering a
massive stroke, publicist Dick Guttman said. The actor's wife of more
than 35 years, Rita, and other family members were present.

Franciosa was part of a new wave in the mid-20th century who
revolutionized film acting with their introspective, intensely
realistic approach to their roles. Most of them were schooled in the
method acting of New York's Actors Studio. They included Marlon
Brando, James Dean, Rod Steiger, Shelley Winters and Paul Newman.

Shelley Winters and Paul Newman.

Franciosa was once married to Winters, who died last weekend.

From his first important film role as the brother of a drug addict in
"A Hatful of Rain," Franciosa became known for his portrayals of
complicated young men. He received a 1956 Tony nomination for his
performance in the role he created on Broadway, then an Oscar nod. In
1957, the actor appeared in three other films, "This Could Be the
Night," "A Face in the Crowd" and "Wild Is the Wind."

Franciosa's career continued in high gear with such films as "The Long
Hot Summer," "The Naked Maja" (as Goya), "The Story on Page One,"
"Period of Adjustment," "Rio Conchos" and "The Pleasure Seekers."

The actor's behavior on movie productions became the subject of
Hollywood gossip. The stories alleged fiery disputes with directors,
sulks in his dressing room, outbursts with other actors.

"I went out to Hollywood in the mid-1950s," he remarked in a 1996
interview, "and I would say I went there a little too early. It was an
incredible amount of attention, and I wasn't quite mature enough
psychologically and emotionally for it."

Franciosa's assertive attitude extended beyond movie stages; in 1957
he served 10 days in the Los Angeles County jail for slugging a press
photographer. His reputation contributed to the downturn in Hollywood
offers, and his career veered to European-made films and television.

His first TV series, "Valentine's Day," cast him as a swinging New
York publishing executive involved in numerous romances. It lasted one
season (1964-'65).

In "The Name of the Game" (1968-71) Franciosa alternated with Gene
Barry and Robert Stack as adventurous members of a Los Angeles
publishing firm. In 1971 the producing company, Universal Pictures,
fired him from the series, charging erratic behavior. He countered
that the company had treated him badly and demanded that he take a pay
cut.

The 1975 TV series "Matt Helm," with Franciosa as a wisecracking
detective, was canceled after half a season.

He was born Anthony Papaleo in October 1928, in New York City. He was
1 when his father disappeared, and the boy grew up tough in Manhattan
slums. "Getting in the first blow was something I learned in
childhood," he said in an interview.

After working in odd jobs and sometimes sleeping in flophouses, at 18
he attended an audition for actors at the YMCA. and was chosen for two
plays. He later studied at the Actors Studio and the New School for
Social Research. Adopting his mother's maiden name, Franciosa, he
began getting roles in television and the theater. "A Hatful of Rain"
made him a star.

Besides Winters, Franciosa was married to writer Beatrice Bakalyar and
real estate agent Judy Kanter, with whom he had a daughter, Nina. His
lasting marriage was to Rita Thiel, a German fashion model. They had
sons Christopher and Marco.



Associated Press Writer John Antczak contributed to this report.







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Kathy
2006-01-20 22:23:47 UTC
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Picture and career info here.

http://www.nndb.com/people/441/000032345/
James Neibaur
2006-01-20 23:11:31 UTC
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Bianca 1/20/06 2:05 PM
Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
I thought he was already.... oh never mind

JN
Tregembo
2006-01-20 23:19:50 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Bianca 1/20/06 2:05 PM
Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
I thought he was already.... oh never mind
JN
Were you thinking of James Franciscus? I mixed them up when he died.

Ray Arthur
Kathy
2006-01-20 23:53:33 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Bianca 1/20/06 2:05 PM
Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
I thought he was already.... oh never mind
JN
Were you thinking of James Franciscus? I mixed them up when he died.
Ray Arthur
I thought I was the only one who did that.

Kathy Wajerski
Ellen S.
2006-01-21 00:19:35 UTC
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When I was a kid, I thought they were the same person.

Ellen in NYC
Post by Kathy
I thought I was the only one who did that.
Kathy Wajerski
Michael O'Connor
2006-01-21 01:26:27 UTC
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Post by Ellen S.
When I was a kid, I thought they were the same person.
Ellen in NYC
I remember they would always get the two of them confused on Mystery
Science Theatre 3000.
Brigid Nelson
2006-01-21 14:00:58 UTC
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Post by Michael O'Connor
Post by Ellen S.
When I was a kid, I thought they were the same person.
Ellen in NYC
I remember they would always get the two of them confused on Mystery
Science Theatre 3000.
That must be why I couldn't find any mention of "Streets of San
Francisco" in the obit.

brigid
King Daevid MacKenzie
2006-01-21 06:42:25 UTC
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Post by Brigid Nelson
Post by Michael O'Connor
When I was a kid, I thought [James Franciscus and Tony Franciosa] were
the same person.
I remember they would always get the two of them confused on Mystery
Science Theatre 3000.
That must be why I couldn't find any mention of "Streets of San
Francisco" in the obit.
...neither Franciosa or Franciscus appeared on "The Streets of San
Francisco" that I'm able to determine. However, Franciscus did star in a
TV series, "Longstreet," that ran on ABC in the same Thursday 9-to-10 P.M.
time slot in 1971-72 that "The Streets of San Francisco" appeared in from
1974 to 1976...

...also intresting to note that the star of "Valentine's Day" would go on
to appear as one of the victims in THE ST. VALENTINE'S DAY MASSACRE ;-) ...

...the guy I always confused Franciosa's name with was Frank Campanella.
Turns out that they appeared in two different pictures together: the '75
TV pilot MATT HELM and the '82 Charles Bronson vehicle DEATH WISH II.
Oddly, I don't think I've ever confused either Tony Franciosa or Frank
Campanella with Joseph Campanella, Frank's brother. Go figure...
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Charlene
2006-01-21 07:14:10 UTC
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Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
...the guy I always confused Franciosa's name with was Frank Campanella.
Turns out that they appeared in two different pictures together: the '75
TV pilot MATT HELM and the '82 Charles Bronson vehicle DEATH WISH II.
Oddly, I don't think I've ever confused either Tony Franciosa or Frank
Campanella with Joseph Campanella, Frank's brother. Go figure...
I always confused Joseph Campanella with Joe Garagiola. Also Tony
Franciosa with James Franciscus.

Neither is as bad as one person I know, who somehow confused Shelley
Winters with Rosemary Clooney.

wd41
Glitter Ninja
2006-01-21 04:31:51 UTC
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Post by Ellen S.
When I was a kid, I thought they were the same person.
I never got them mixed up before but since everyone's brought it up, I
probably will from now on.
I didn't realize Franciosa was 77. Probably because the movies I have
seen him in were all from the 50s or 60s and I haven't seen him since.
My favorite Franciosa role is in "The Story on Page One". I wish I'd
seen him in his TV roles, sounds like he's more famous for those than
his movies.

Stacia
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2006-01-20 23:57:31 UTC
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As I'm now in my early 40s, my tv 'memories' of the 1960s consists
mostly of cartoons and 'Lucy' reruns. Not that 'The Name of The Game'
wasn't a familiar catch phrase by then.
I recall Franciosa for a short lived tv series, "Finders of Lost
Loves", co-starring Anne Jeffreys. I believe it ran in the 1984-'85
season. Not a very memorable show except perhaps to tv trivia buffs. I
do remember the lovely theme song, written by Burt Bacharach and sung
by Dionne Warwicke and Glenn Jones. Unlike the series, the song enjoyed
some modest success.
-MDB
Bianca
2006-01-21 00:46:05 UTC
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Post by M***@hotmail.com
I recall Franciosa for a short lived tv series, "Finders of Lost
Loves", co-starring Anne Jeffreys. I believe it ran in the 1984-'85
season. Not a very memorable show except perhaps to tv trivia buffs. I
do remember the lovely theme song, written by Burt Bacharach and sung
by Dionne Warwicke and Glenn Jones. Unlike the series, the song enjoyed
some modest success.
-MDB
Anne Jeffreys...one of the loveliest, most gracious ladies ever to walk
this earth. I was a big fan of her and Robert Sterling as a kid
("Topper" and "Love That Jill"). I got to meet her years later, and she
was absolutely wonderful. She was amazed that anyone remembered
"Love That Jill."
James Neibaur
2006-01-21 00:01:43 UTC
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Tregembo 1/20/06 5:19 PM
Post by Tregembo
Were you thinking of James Franciscus? I mixed them up when he died.
Yeah, maybe

JN
aka Bob
2006-01-21 00:05:34 UTC
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Post by Tregembo
Post by James Neibaur
Bianca 1/20/06 2:05 PM
Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
I thought he was already.... oh never mind
JN
Were you thinking of James Franciscus? I mixed them up when he died.
Ray Arthur
I used to mix them up when they were both living.

They look like they could have been realted ...

Two pics:

Franciosa: http://www.nndb.com/people/441/000032345/
Franciscus: Loading Image...






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Laurie Mann
2006-01-21 00:12:15 UTC
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Post by aka Bob
I used to mix them up when they were both living.
They look like they could have been realted ...
Franciosa: http://www.nndb.com/people/441/000032345/
Franciscus: http://members.aol.com/RayBailey2/FRANCISCUS.JPG
Really? I always remember Franciscus as being tall and sandy-haired,
and Franciosa as being shorter and swarthier.


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Terry Ellsworth
2006-01-21 04:22:40 UTC
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I agree with Laurie Mann. They didn't look remotely similar. Franciosa
the shorter Italian type while Franciscus was the good-looking, WASPY
Redford type.

Terry Ellsworth
James Neibaur
2006-01-21 04:36:44 UTC
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Terry Ellsworth 1/20/06 10:22 PM
Post by Terry Ellsworth
I agree with Laurie Mann. They didn't look remotely similar. Franciosa
the shorter Italian type while Franciscus was the good-looking, WASPY
Redford type.
It is the similarity in names only. I also get Dr. Joyce Brothers mixed up
with Smothers Brothers.

Tony Franciosa was indeed a very good actor in films and on television. My
favorite of his roles is Polo in A Hatful of Rain with Don Murray.

JN
BeAStooge
2006-01-21 04:55:21 UTC
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Jim,

In ref. to TonyFranciosa, and your friendship with Joe Besser... Joe
had a supporting role in Franciosa's THE STORY ON PAGE ONE, as
Gallagher, owner of the diner/pub frequented by Franciosa's lawyer
character.

All TV/cable prints I've ever seen of STORY omit Besser's scenes,
although early scenes take place in Gallagher's Pub. Unless there's a
more complete version in the 20th-Fox vaults, I assume that Joe's
scenes were deleted before the original theatrical release.

Did Joe ever discuss this film with you? (His bio lists STORY in his
filmography, but there's no mention of edited scenes.)

Brent
James Neibaur
2006-01-21 13:09:43 UTC
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BeAStooge 1/20/06 10:55 PM
Post by BeAStooge
Did Joe ever discuss this film with you? (His bio lists STORY in his
filmography, but there's no mention of edited scenes.)
No, the only non-stooge films Joe and I discussed were, I'm afraid, the
terribly obvious ones on which we already have plenty of info (Africa
Screams, Joey Bishop show, Columbia solo stuff, cartoon voiceovers).

JN
Hyfler/Rosner
2006-01-21 05:01:39 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Tony Franciosa was indeed a very good actor in films and
on television. My
favorite of his roles is Polo in A Hatful of Rain with Don
Murray.
I adored his first film with Jean Simmons called This Could
be the Night.

I never confused him with Mr. Novak.
Loki
2006-01-21 05:02:58 UTC
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Terry Ellsworth 1/20/06 10:22 PM
Post by Terry Ellsworth
I agree with Laurie Mann. They didn't look remotely similar. Franciosa
the shorter Italian type while Franciscus was the good-looking, WASPY
Redford type.
It is the similarity in names only. I also get Dr. Joyce Brothers mixed up
with Smothers Brothers.
Tony Franciosa was indeed a very good actor in films and on television. My
favorite of his roles is Polo in A Hatful of Rain with Don Murray.
And wasn't one of them where they make Rice A Roni?


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Post by James Neibaur
Terry Ellsworth 1/20/06 10:22 PM
Post by Terry Ellsworth
I agree with Laurie Mann. They didn't look remotely similar. Franciosa
the shorter Italian type while Franciscus was the good-looking, WASPY
Redford type.
It is the similarity in names only. I also get Dr. Joyce Brothers mixed up
with Smothers Brothers.
Tony Franciosa was indeed a very good actor in films and on television. My
favorite of his roles is Polo in A Hatful of Rain with Don Murray.
And wasn't one of them where they make Rice A Roni?
I got it, even if no one else did.
James Neibaur
2006-01-21 13:08:08 UTC
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Loki 1/20/06 11:02 PM
Post by Loki
Post by James Neibaur
Post by Terry Ellsworth
I agree with Laurie Mann. They didn't look remotely similar. Franciosa
the shorter Italian type while Franciscus was the good-looking, WASPY
Redford type.
It is the similarity in names only. I also get Dr. Joyce Brothers mixed up
with Smothers Brothers.
Tony Franciosa was indeed a very good actor in films and on television. My
favorite of his roles is Polo in A Hatful of Rain with Don Murray.
And wasn't one of them where they make Rice A Roni?
Yes, the Franciosa treat, I think. Or was it the Fransciscus?

JN
King Daevid MacKenzie
2006-01-21 06:55:17 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
It is the similarity in names only. I also get Dr. Joyce Brothers mixed up
with Smothers Brothers.
...the big point of name confusion for my dad (God rest his sweet soul)
was between Joe Namath and Ralph Nader. Gave me fits of laughter imagining
Nader getting sacked by a Patriots defenseman ;-) ...
Post by James Neibaur
Tony Franciosa was indeed a very good actor in films and on television.
My
favorite of his roles is Polo in A Hatful of Rain with Don Murray.
...I am absolutely amazed that I've yet to see one reference to his
performance in TOUCH OF EVIL. In a film loaded with 24-carat Hollywood
Characters -- Orson Welles, Charlton Heston, Akim Tamiroff, Marlene
Dietrich, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Dennis Weaver, Mercedes McCambridge, even an
uncredited cameo by Joseph Cotten -- Franciosa's performance stands out
because it's one of only two "normal" sounding performances in the whole
picture (the other being Janet Leigh's)...
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Kathy
2006-01-20 23:52:55 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Bianca 1/20/06 2:05 PM
Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
I thought he was already.... oh never mind
JN
Me, too, Jim. But then I realized I was thinking of James Franciscus.

Kathy Wajerski
twpjr
2006-01-21 03:28:19 UTC
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When I was a kid it was the guy from Beneath The Planet of the Apes (James
Franciscus) and Matt Helm (Tony Franciosa) on TV. As mentioned in an
earlier thread - I remember the "Finder of Long Lost Loves" ... I was on
duty and back in the rabbit ear days of TV you got what you found...though
that premise might be a good idea for a series in this day and age...then
again maybe not



Tom
twpjr
2006-01-21 04:08:43 UTC
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I also forgot to mention that face wise I always mixed him up with Joseph
Campanella ... for what thats worth. Joe just finished a movie according
to IMDB (http://imdb.com/name/nm0132103/)
Jim Beaver
2006-01-21 09:37:40 UTC
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Post by twpjr
When I was a kid it was the guy from Beneath The Planet of the Apes (James
Franciscus) and Matt Helm (Tony Franciosa) on TV. As mentioned in an
earlier thread - I remember the "Finder of Long Lost Loves" ... I was on
duty and back in the rabbit ear days of TV you got what you found...though
that premise might be a good idea for a series in this day and age...then
again maybe not
I wrote my first television script for FINDER OF LOST LOVES. It was not a
bad premise for a show, and I had a good time writing for it, but my script
was never shot. The show got canceled first. I learned a lot about tv
writing on that one. First rule: don't set an L.A.-shot series in City of
Rocks State Park, New Mexico.

Jim Beaver
kaj
2006-01-21 19:51:19 UTC
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Post by twpjr
When I was a kid it was the guy from Beneath The Planet of the Apes (James
Franciscus) and Matt Helm (Tony Franciosa) on TV. As mentioned in an
earlier thread - I remember the "Finder of Long Lost Loves" ... I was on
duty and back in the rabbit ear days of TV you got what you found...though
that premise might be a good idea for a series in this day and age...then
again maybe not
I wrote my first television script for FINDER OF LOST LOVES. It was not a
bad premise for a show, and I had a good time writing for it, but my script
was never shot. The show got canceled first. I learned a lot about tv
writing on that one. First rule: don't set an L.A.-shot series in City of
Rocks State Park, New Mexico.
Jim Beaver
Heck, why not?

One of the reasons I love watching the old "FBI" reruns is how Lew
Erskine and his minions always pursued perps in various locations
throughout the US even though the series was obviously shot in L.A.

Our family makes a game of pointing out the different L.A. locales
masquerading as Kansas, Illinois, or some other US location where
Lew always caught the perps, the perps got their just desserts, and
everyone drove Fords.

K.
Hyfler/Rosner
2006-01-21 19:55:23 UTC
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Post by kaj
Heck, why not?
One of the reasons I love watching the old "FBI" reruns is
how Lew
Erskine and his minions always pursued perps in various
locations
throughout the US even though the series was obviously
shot in L.A.
Our family makes a game of pointing out the different L.A.
locales
masquerading as Kansas, Illinois, or some other US
location where
Lew always caught the perps, the perps got their just
desserts, and
everyone drove Fords.
K.
Now you can look for the parts of Vancouver masquerading as
LA.
Jim Beaver
2006-01-21 20:23:18 UTC
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Post by kaj
Post by Jim Beaver
Post by twpjr
When I was a kid it was the guy from Beneath The Planet of the Apes
(James Franciscus) and Matt Helm (Tony Franciosa) on TV. As mentioned in
an earlier thread - I remember the "Finder of Long Lost Loves" ... I was
on duty and back in the rabbit ear days of TV you got what you
found...though that premise might be a good idea for a series in this day
and age...then again maybe not
I wrote my first television script for FINDER OF LOST LOVES. It was not
a bad premise for a show, and I had a good time writing for it, but my
script was never shot. The show got canceled first. I learned a lot
about tv writing on that one. First rule: don't set an L.A.-shot series
in City of Rocks State Park, New Mexico.
Jim Beaver
Heck, why not?
One of the reasons I love watching the old "FBI" reruns is how Lew
Erskine and his minions always pursued perps in various locations
throughout the US even though the series was obviously shot in L.A.
Our family makes a game of pointing out the different L.A. locales
masquerading as Kansas, Illinois, or some other US location where
Lew always caught the perps, the perps got their just desserts, and
everyone drove Fords.
Because City of Rocks State Park is unique. Nothing else in the world looks
like it. Certainly nothing in L.A.
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Jim Beaver
R H Draney
2006-01-22 07:44:39 UTC
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Post by kaj
Post by Jim Beaver
I wrote my first television script for FINDER OF LOST LOVES. It was not
a bad premise for a show, and I had a good time writing for it, but my
script was never shot. The show got canceled first. I learned a lot
about tv writing on that one. First rule: don't set an L.A.-shot series
in City of Rocks State Park, New Mexico.
Heck, why not?
Because City of Rocks State Park is unique. Nothing else in the world looks
like it. Certainly nothing in L.A.
http://www.oktrails.com/New_Mexico/city_of_rocks.JPG
How much you wanna bet they would have gone to Agua Dulce to shoot it?

http://aeve.com/digitaldesert/vasquezrocks/

....r

aka Bob
2006-01-21 20:48:41 UTC
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Post by kaj
Post by Jim Beaver
Post by twpjr
When I was a kid it was the guy from Beneath The Planet of the Apes (James
Franciscus) and Matt Helm (Tony Franciosa) on TV. As mentioned in an
earlier thread - I remember the "Finder of Long Lost Loves" ... I was on
duty and back in the rabbit ear days of TV you got what you found...though
that premise might be a good idea for a series in this day and age...then
again maybe not
I wrote my first television script for FINDER OF LOST LOVES. It was not a
bad premise for a show, and I had a good time writing for it, but my script
was never shot. The show got canceled first. I learned a lot about tv
writing on that one. First rule: don't set an L.A.-shot series in City of
Rocks State Park, New Mexico.
Jim Beaver
Heck, why not?
One of the reasons I love watching the old "FBI" reruns is how Lew
Erskine and his minions always pursued perps in various locations
throughout the US even though the series was obviously shot in L.A.
Our family makes a game of pointing out the different L.A. locales
masquerading as Kansas, Illinois, or some other US location where
Lew always caught the perps, the perps got their just desserts, and
everyone drove Fords.
K.
I can't count the times I've seen the Pasadena train station used as a
location. Great old place. The last time I was there - and we're
talking something like 50 years ago - we walked into a film being shot
with the splendid old British actor who sometimes wore a Charlie
McCarthy monocle (I can see his face but can't remember his name). We
were either putting my grandmother Farrow onto a train or meeting her.
My middle sister and I ended up being an extras for a few hours.





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J. Eric Durbin
2006-01-21 21:00:44 UTC
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Post by aka Bob
I can't count the times I've seen the Pasadena train station used as a
location. Great old place. The last time I was there - and we're
talking something like 50 years ago - we walked into a film being shot
with the splendid old British actor who sometimes wore a Charlie
McCarthy monocle (I can see his face but can't remember his name).
Monty Woolley?
aka Bob
2006-01-21 21:21:05 UTC
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Post by J. Eric Durbin
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:48:41 +1300, aka Bob
Post by aka Bob
I can't count the times I've seen the Pasadena train station used as a
location. Great old place. The last time I was there - and we're
talking something like 50 years ago - we walked into a film being shot
with the splendid old British actor who sometimes wore a Charlie
McCarthy monocle (I can see his face but can't remember his name).
Monty Woolley?
Good guess, but no. A round face. Portly. Not much hair. Sometimes
played in light romantic comedies. Almost always wore a waistcoat
(vest). For some reason the name Charles comes to mind, but it wasn't
Charles Laughton. Damn. Now it's driving me bonkers ...






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J. Eric Durbin
2006-01-21 22:03:41 UTC
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Post by aka Bob
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Post by J. Eric Durbin
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:48:41 +1300, aka Bob
Post by aka Bob
I can't count the times I've seen the Pasadena train station used as a
location. Great old place. The last time I was there - and we're
talking something like 50 years ago - we walked into a film being shot
with the splendid old British actor who sometimes wore a Charlie
McCarthy monocle (I can see his face but can't remember his name).
Monty Woolley?
Good guess, but no. A round face. Portly. Not much hair. Sometimes
played in light romantic comedies. Almost always wore a waistcoat
(vest). For some reason the name Charles comes to mind, but it wasn't
Charles Laughton. Damn. Now it's driving me bonkers ...
Damn, you got me going too...

Are you sure he was British? After I allowed myself to eliminate the
British clue, I was able to go with the second name that occurred to
me:

Charles Coburn

born in Savannah Georgia in 1877. I think he could have been easily
mistaken as British with that Savannah accent.

The IMDB blurb on him also fits your description:

"A cigar-smoking, monocled, swag-bellied character actor known for his
Old South manners and charm."

Interesting trivia, Coburn didn't start making films until he was 60.
aka Bob
2006-01-21 22:14:21 UTC
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Post by aka Bob
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:00:44 -0800, J. Eric Durbin
Post by J. Eric Durbin
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:48:41 +1300, aka Bob
Post by aka Bob
I can't count the times I've seen the Pasadena train station used as a
location. Great old place. The last time I was there - and we're
talking something like 50 years ago - we walked into a film being shot
with the splendid old British actor who sometimes wore a Charlie
McCarthy monocle (I can see his face but can't remember his name).
Monty Woolley?
Good guess, but no. A round face. Portly. Not much hair. Sometimes
played in light romantic comedies. Almost always wore a waistcoat
(vest). For some reason the name Charles comes to mind, but it wasn't
Charles Laughton. Damn. Now it's driving me bonkers ...
Damn, you got me going too...
Are you sure he was British? After I allowed myself to eliminate the
British clue, I was able to go with the second name that occurred to
Charles Coburn
born in Savannah Georgia in 1877. I think he could have been easily
mistaken as British with that Savannah accent.
"A cigar-smoking, monocled, swag-bellied character actor known for his
Old South manners and charm."
Interesting trivia, Coburn didn't start making films until he was 60.
BINGO! Thank you. Charles Coburn. And I always thought he was British
until now.

I'm not sure I approve of that "swag-bellied" description, however. I
wonder if it's too late to start that diet that was supposed to start
on January the second?







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Terry Ellsworth
2006-01-21 04:20:14 UTC
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Funny, I guess I sorta understand the confusion between Franciscus and
Franciosa although not really. Franciscus was sorta the young,
good-looking hunk type -- kind of a young Redford type. I don't think
of Franciosa that way. Franciscus starred in a TV movie mystery about a
disappearing wife and a car wreck that I cannot recall the name of that
I've never seen since it first aired but that I always liked. I always
hoped it showed up but it never did.

Franciosa had a much bigger film career, of course ,and Franciscus died
tragically young and he seems fairly forgetten today.

Terry Ellsworth
Brad Ferguson
2006-01-21 06:46:14 UTC
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Post by Terry Ellsworth
Franciosa had a much bigger film career, of course ,and Franciscus died
tragically young and he seems fairly forgetten today.
I think so. Boomers remember him for his "Mr. Novak" series, and that
he was as victimized by "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" as the rest of
us were. As you say, he died too young.
R H Draney
2006-01-21 07:23:02 UTC
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Post by Terry Ellsworth
Franciosa had a much bigger film career, of course ,and Franciscus died
tragically young and he seems fairly forgetten today.
I think so. Boomers remember him for his "Mr. Novak" series, and that
he was as victimized by "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" as the rest of
us were. As you say, he died too young.
I was maybe just a little too young to remember "Mr Novak" (which puzzled me
when MAD Magazine did a parody called "Mr Nudnik")...and around the same time as
"Beneath" he was in a detective show that I enjoyed immensely called
"Longstreet" (MAD turned *that* one into "Longshot")....

A blind detective....

Sort of puts that one-armed dishwasher in "Robin's Nest" to shame....

I still remember the name of Longstreet's guide dog...anybody else?...r
Denise Perry
2006-01-21 02:46:30 UTC
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Post by Bianca
Just announced on MSNBC. Dead at the age of 77. A stroke.
One of his ex-wives was Shelley Winters.
Anyone remember "Valentine's Day"??
Ah, yes! I had quite the crush on him back then. Remember seeing the movie
Period of Adjustment as a child in the theater and not quite getting it. I'll
have to look it up again.


Denise Perry

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