Celebrities who died younger than you

Post by David Carson
I have added a feature to the Dead or Alive Data Base: celebrities who
died younger than you.
www.doadb.com/diedyounger.htm
It's limited to people already in my main data base who died within
the last fifty years. Don't go there looking to compare yourself to
Socrates, Queen Isabella, or Ritche Valens. Do go there to compare
yourself to Queen Elizabeth, Chuck Berry, and Fred "Rerun" Berry.

FYI:

Socrates: 71 yo
Isabella: 54 yo
Ritche: 17 yo

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Louis Epstein

2024-08-18 08:24:08 UTC

I'll take the opportunity to say that I still miss the dead.atyourage.com site,
whose operators apparently depended on revenues they didn't get.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

W.C. Green

2024-08-19 02:13:14 UTC

This has my husband as 75 years & 362 days (b.d. 8/22/1949). He turns
75 this week.

It's correct for me; my birth date was earlier this year.

David Carson

2024-08-19 03:33:26 UTC

Post by W.C. Green
This has my husband as 75 years & 362 days (b.d. 8/22/1949). He turns
75 this week.

Well, shoot. That's fixed. The statement, "you are 27,390 days old" was
already correct, and the people returned for age comparison were already
correct (because it uses the age in days), so nothing changes except for
that one number.

David Carson

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W.C. Green

2024-08-19 21:23:24 UTC

Post by W.C. Green
This has my husband as 75 years & 362 days (b.d. 8/22/1949). He turns
75 this week.

Figured it was something minor. Thank you for fixing it.

Louis Epstein

2024-08-18 08:33:01 UTC

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,betweein Dick
York and William Holden).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

David Carson

2024-08-18 20:20:53 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,betweein Dick
York and William Holden).

I prefer to use plain HTML when possible, but getting a valid date from
user input using only HTML is more trouble than I care to put into it, so
Javascript is used to calculate the number of days in the month after the
year and month are chosen.

Number of days in the month = 30 + (month MOD 8) MOD 2
except for all of the February/leap year nonsense, which Julias Ceasar and
Pope Gregory devised purely to annoy modern programmers.

David Carson

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David Carson

2024-10-18 05:39:20 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,betweein Dick
York and William Holden).

It just occurred to me to mention that you could bypass the date entry
form by entering your date of birth as a query string, e.g.

https://www.doadb.com/diedyounger.htm?dob=6/18/1942

It will then leave a browser cookie, so that on future visits, you could
use the plain URL without the query string. To avoid that cookie, you
would enter:

https://www.doadb.com/diedyounger.htm?dob=6/18/1942&paranoid=true

It will then leave a browser cookie indicating that you are paranoid.

David Carson

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http://www.doadb.com

Louis Epstein

2025-01-03 06:45:07 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,betweein Dick
York and William Holden).

It just occurred to me to mention that you could bypass the date entry
form by entering your date of birth as a query string, e.g.
https://www.doadb.com/diedyounger.htm?dob=6/18/1942
It will then leave a browser cookie, so that on future visits, you could
use the plain URL without the query string. To avoid that cookie, you
https://www.doadb.com/diedyounger.htm?dob=6/18/1942&paranoid=true
It will then leave a browser cookie indicating that you are paranoid.

The "V" key when prompted prevents cookies from being fed to Lynx.

I just created an 82-byte HTML file that I can invoke with Lynx
that offers my DOB to DOADB and (after I hit the V) gives me my
current list (I am now closer to Valenzuela than Mantle as I cover
the 8-week gap...also closer to Dick Sargent than Dick York).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2025-01-30 22:03:28 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,betweein Dick
York and William Holden).

It just occurred to me to mention that you could bypass the date entry
form by entering your date of birth as a query string, e.g.
https://www.doadb.com/diedyounger.htm?dob=6/18/1942
It will then leave a browser cookie, so that on future visits, you could
use the plain URL without the query string. To avoid that cookie, you
https://www.doadb.com/diedyounger.htm?dob=6/18/1942&paranoid=true
It will then leave a browser cookie indicating that you are paranoid.

The "V" key when prompted prevents cookies from being fed to Lynx.
I just created an 82-byte HTML file that I can invoke with Lynx
that offers my DOB to DOADB and (after I hit the V) gives me my
current list (I am now closer to Valenzuela than Mantle as I cover
the 8-week gap...also closer to Dick Sargent than Dick York).

I have now passed Valenzuela,pushing Ron Palillo off the bottom of
the younger-than-me list and bringing Sammy Davis Jr. into view at
the far end of the older-than-me...tomorrow I overtake a tie,Joel
Siegel and Richard Boone,which will presumably lead to one of them
being listed as died at my age while the other remains on the older
list,before Donna Summer and Dick York (who died a month older than
she did) are pushed off the younger list together,while the new
entries on the older-than list (whatever the difference in their
ages) make their debuts one at a time.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

David Carson

2025-01-31 14:08:40 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
tomorrow I overtake a tie,Joel
Siegel and Richard Boone,which will presumably lead to one of them
being listed as died at my age while the other remains on the older
list

I'm pretty sure it's going to show that both of them died at your age,
since they both did.

Louis Epstein

2025-02-01 04:10:26 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
tomorrow I overtake a tie,Joel
Siegel and Richard Boone,which will presumably lead to one of them
being listed as died at my age while the other remains on the older
list

I'm pretty sure it's going to show that both of them died at your age,
since they both did.

So it did,but I remember a tie being processed differently before
(one left the visible list and the other did not).

So Slim Pickens and Shari Lewis (who died at ages about a month apart)
both arrived on the older-than list,and Dick York and Donna Summer
will both leave the younger-than list tomorrow.

(Has there ever been a list of sequential oldest living people
in the database?...I know right now it's Eva Marie Saint,though
she would be bumped if Violet Brumley Hensley(born 1916),
Sir Lloyd Geering(1918),Virginia McCaskey(1923),or
William H. Webster(earlier in 1924 than Saint) were ever added
before dying,and I suppose the chance and possible history of such
displacements makes such a list problematic).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

David Carson

2025-02-01 14:56:36 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
tomorrow I overtake a tie,Joel
Siegel and Richard Boone,which will presumably lead to one of them
being listed as died at my age while the other remains on the older
list

I'm pretty sure it's going to show that both of them died at your age,
since they both did.

So it did,but I remember a tie being processed differently before
(one left the visible list and the other did not).

That was probably in the younger-than and older-than sections, which are
set to return ten records, no more and no less. The old-as section returns
however many matches there are, which is zero on most days.

Post by Louis Epstein
So Slim Pickens and Shari Lewis (who died at ages about a month apart)
both arrived on the older-than list,and Dick York and Donna Summer
will both leave the younger-than list tomorrow.
(Has there ever been a list of sequential oldest living people
in the database?

Certainly. It's an easy search. It's also on the menu, named a little
different from what you described, but essentially the same thing. I'll
let you look for it.

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Louis Epstein

2025-02-02 05:16:22 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
tomorrow I overtake a tie,Joel
Siegel and Richard Boone,which will presumably lead to one of them
being listed as died at my age while the other remains on the older
list

I'm pretty sure it's going to show that both of them died at your age,
since they both did.

So it did,but I remember a tie being processed differently before
(one left the visible list and the other did not).

Certainly. It's an easy search. It's also on the menu, named a little
different from what you described, but essentially the same thing. I'll
let you look for it.

I checked the menus on both wa-wd.com and doadb.com and found
no choice that is what I'm talking about.
There's a rankable list of the current oldest living,
but not a list of everyone who has in turn been the oldest
living listed person until their deaths,
ending with the current incumbent.

(Here's the list from my supercentenarian charts...)

CHRONOLOGICAL OLDEST LIVING LISTED PERSONS
(Since 1955)
Years Days Born Died
Betsy (Russell) Baker 113 65 August 20,1842 October 24,1955
Janet "Jennie"
(Chaplow) Howell 111 292 February 28,1845 December 16,1956
Christina (Backs)
Karnebeek 110 5 October 2,1849 October 7,1959
[only ever listed in Guinness as "Baks Karnebeek (Mrs.)"]
Robert Alexander Early 111 1 October 8,1849 October 9,1960
Martha Mary (Young)
Kelly 113 202 June 7,1851 December 30,1964
William Archer
Fullingim 110 30 July 7,1855 August 6,1965
Hannah Smith 110 3 January 7,1856 January 10,1966
John Mosely Turner 111 280 June 15,1856 March 21,1968
Johanna Maria
(Drotskie) Booysen 111 151 January 17,1857 June 16,1968
["Booyson" in Guinness,but not on tombstone;spellings of
maiden name (not in Guinness) vary]
Marie Bernatkova 111 194 October 22,1857 May 4,1969
Ada (Giddings) Roe 111 339 February 6,1858 January 11,1970
Kittie Mary (Bonham)
Harvey 112 180 January 12,1860 July 10,1972
Josefa Salas Mateo 112 228 July 14,1860 February 27,1973
Alice Stevenson 112 39 July 10,1861 August 18,1973
Adeline "Ettie" (Siebe)
Crist 111 330 February 14,1862 January 10,1974
Mito Umeta 112 65 March 27,1863 May 31,1975
Niwa Kawamoto 113 103 August 5,1863 November 16,1976
[alternately born September 17]
Alice (Flannagan)
[Gilmore] Coles 113 69 August 28,1865 November 5,1978
Fannie Leona Thomas 113 273 April 24,1867 January 22,1981
[by some records born April 14th?]
Augustine Teissier
(Sister Julia) 112 66 January 2,1869 March 9,1981
[death date shown from Guinness,records apparently show March 8th]
Nellie Mary (Silsby)
Spencer 113 81 August 24,1869 November 13,1982
Emma (Werner) Wilson 113 154 May 12,1870 October 13,1983
Mathew Beard 114 222 July 9,1870 February 16,1985
[SSA study age is not clearly supported in available records]
Augusta Louise (Hoppe)
Holtz 115 79 August 3,1871 October 21,1986
Mary Elizabeth
(Wallace) McKinney 113 248 May 30,1873 February 2,1987
Anna Eliza (Davies)
Williams 114 208 June 2,1873 December 27,1987
Florence Knapp 114 93 October 10,1873 January 11,1988
Jeanne Louise Calment 122 164 February 21,1875 August 4,1997
Marie Louise Febronie
(Chasse) Meilleur 117 230 August 29,1880 April 16,1998
Sarah (Clark) Knauss 119 97 September 24,1880 December 30,1999
Eva (Sharpe) Morris 114 360 November 8,1885 November 2,2000
Marie Marthe Augustine
(Mesange) Bremont 115 42 April 25,1886 June 6,2001
Ella (Allison) Gantt 114 332 November 30,1886 October 28,2001
[SSA says maiden name Alexander and born two years later,
six months before a brother]
Maud (Davis) Farris
Luse 115 56 January 21,1887 March 18,2002
Kamato Hongo 116 45 September 16,1887 October 31,2003
Mitoyo Kawate 114 182 May 15,1889 November 13,2003
Ramona Trinidad
(Iglesias y Jordan de)
Soler 114 271 September 1,1889 May 29,2004
Maria Esther (Heredia
Lecaro) Capovilla 116 347 September 14,1889 August 27,2006
Elizabeth (Jones)
Bolden 116 118 August 15,1890 December 11,2006
Emiliano Mercado
Del Toro 115 156 August 21,1891 January 24,2007
Emma Fanchon (Faust)
Tillman 114 67 November 22,1892 January 28,2007
Yone Minagawa 114 221 January 4,1893 August 13,2007
Edna Ruth (Scott)
Parker 115 220 April 20,1893 November 26,2008
Maria (de Jesus) dos
Santos 115 114 September 10,1893 January 2,2009
Gertrude Baines 115 158 April 6,1894 September 11,2009
Kama Chinen 114 357 May 10,1895 May 2,2010
Anne Eugenie Blanchard 114 261 February 16,1896 November 4,2010
Maria Gomes Valentim 114 347 July 9,1896 June 21,2011
Besse Berry (Brown)
Cooper 116 100 August 26,1896 December 4,2012
Dina (Guerri)
Manfredini 115 257 April 4,1897 December 17,2012
Jiroemon Kimura 116 54 April 19,1897 June 12,2013
Misawo (Aoki) Okawa 117 27 March 5,1898 April 1,2015
Gertrude Weaver 116 c. 345 April 1898 April 6,2015
[Month in census report,family celebrated birthday July 4]
Susannah (Mushatt)
Jones 116 311 July 6,1899 May 12,2016
[Authenticated by New England Centenarian Study from census data]
Emma Martina Luigia
(Morano) Martinuzzi 117 137 November 29,1899 April 15,2017
Violet Henrietta
(Moss) Brown 117 189 March 10,1900 September 15,2017
Nabi Tajima 117 260 August 4,1900 April 21,2018
Chiyo Miyako 117 81 May 2,1901 July 22,2018
Kane (Ota) Tanaka 119 107 January 2,1903 April 19,2022
Lucille Randon (Sister
Andre) 118 340 February 11,1904 January 17,2023
Maria Branyas Morera 117 168 March 4,1907 August 19,2024
Tomiko Itooka 116 220 May 23,1908 December 29,2024

-=-
You don't have anything like that that I can find,
even adjusting for your format.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

David Carson

2025-02-02 22:25:09 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
I checked the menus on both wa-wd.com and doadb.com and found
no choice that is what I'm talking about.
There's a rankable list of the current oldest living,
but not a list of everyone who has in turn been the oldest
living listed person until their deaths,
ending with the current incumbent.

Oh. No, there isn't.

Louis Epstein

2025-02-12 02:26:17 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
tomorrow I overtake a tie,Joel
Siegel and Richard Boone,which will presumably lead to one of them
being listed as died at my age while the other remains on the older
list

I'm pretty sure it's going to show that both of them died at your age,
since they both did.

So it did,but I remember a tie being processed differently before
(one left the visible list and the other did not).

In the meantime,without aid of Sherpa or piton,
to climb toward the lifespan of Pat Summitt.

Post by Louis Epstein
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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2025-02-25 02:46:00 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
tomorrow I overtake a tie,Joel
Siegel and Richard Boone,which will presumably lead to one of them
being listed as died at my age while the other remains on the older
list

I'm pretty sure it's going to show that both of them died at your age,
since they both did.

So it did,but I remember a tie being processed differently before
(one left the visible list and the other did not).

In the meantime,without aid of Sherpa or piton,
to climb toward the lifespan of Pat Summitt.

I have not attained the summit of longevity,
but I HAVE surpassed the longevity of Summitt.

I was surprised to see Lee Marvin still on the younger-than
list as I thought he was the next to be dropped (I was tied
with him the first time I tried this feature)...has someone
just disappeared from the database,by 50-year rule or otherwise?
Sorrell Booke is next for me to overtake,while Cheryl Holdridge
appears in the distance.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2025-03-18 07:52:14 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
tomorrow I overtake a tie,Joel
Siegel and Richard Boone,which will presumably lead to one of them
being listed as died at my age while the other remains on the older
list

I'm pretty sure it's going to show that both of them died at your age,
since they both did.

So it did,but I remember a tie being processed differently before
(one left the visible list and the other did not).

In the meantime,without aid of Sherpa or piton,
to climb toward the lifespan of Pat Summitt.

I have not attained the summit of longevity,
but I HAVE surpassed the longevity of Summitt.
I was surprised to see Lee Marvin still on the younger-than
list as I thought he was the next to be dropped (I was tied
with him the first time I tried this feature)...has someone
just disappeared from the database,by 50-year rule or otherwise?
Sorrell Booke is next for me to overtake,while Cheryl Holdridge
appears in the distance.

As I page past Booke Floyd Cramer becomes next to pass,while
Slobodan Milosevic comes into view behind Holdridge.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-09-09 03:12:49 UTC

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I've just about caught Holden...and King Hussein of Jordan is
about to disappear in my rearview mirror even as another milestone
ahead appears beyond Sorrell Booke (these being the extremes of the
posted older/younger lists for me).

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-10-08 08:08:56 UTC

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.
I note some same-age pairs (Richard Deacon & Bobby Hatfield behind
me and Richard Boone & Joel Siegel ahead of me) and am wondering
what happens when they are overtaken or disappear.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-10-14 03:41:53 UTC

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

Post by David Carson
Don't go there looking to compare yourself to
Socrates, Queen Isabella, or Ritche Valens. Do go there to compare
yourself to Queen Elizabeth, Chuck Berry, and Fred "Rerun" Berry.
Other than that, it should be self-explanatory.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
I note some same-age pairs (Richard Deacon & Bobby Hatfield behind
me and Richard Boone & Joel Siegel ahead of me) and am wondering
what happens when they are overtaken or disappear.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched Darren
Dicks.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-10-15 04:46:22 UTC

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Deacon is still on the younger than me list and Hatfield,
dead at the same age,was bumped off to make room for Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched Darren
Dicks.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-10-18 05:39:35 UTC

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Deacon is still on the younger than me list and Hatfield,
dead at the same age,was bumped off to make room for Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched Darren
Dicks.

Irene Cara's now brings on Ken Lay,who the database credits
as "founder" of Enron and uninterruptedly CEO until 2002...
actually,he was head of Houston Natural Gas from shortly
before InterNorth bought it,and in the merger managed to
get the board to make him CEO in place of InterNorth's Sam
Segnar to whom he had become second-in-command...and toward
the end of his accounting games he had stepped down as CEO
in favor of Jeffrey Skilling,only to have to resume the post
when Skilling tried quitting before the bankruptcy as a means
of escaping the consequences (he got nailed anyway,and when
Lay died Lay's share of the financial penalties was reassigned
to Skilling by the courts).

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-10-23 10:30:13 UTC

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Deacon is still on the younger than me list and Hatfield,
dead at the same age,was bumped off to make room for Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched Darren
Dicks.

Cara's addition to the died-younger-than-me (she did not live
forever,even if we remember her name) drives Deacon off with
Jean-Claude Duvalier next on the chopping block.

I note that Fernando Valenzuela died ten days short of 64,
so in the current zone of older-than-me's...if David adds him
to the DOADB (he is not on the site at all now,apparently) he
might supersede Lay pro tempore even as I catch Audrey Hepburn.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-10-24 06:59:58 UTC

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Deacon is still on the younger than me list and Hatfield,
dead at the same age,was bumped off to make room for Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched Darren
Dicks.

Cara's addition to the died-younger-than-me (she did not live
forever,even if we remember her name) drives Deacon off with
Jean-Claude Duvalier next on the chopping block.
I note that Fernando Valenzuela died ten days short of 64,
so in the current zone of older-than-me's...if David adds him
to the DOADB (he is not on the site at all now,apparently) he
might supersede Lay pro tempore even as I catch Audrey Hepburn.

And yes,there he is,just ahead of Boone/Siegel on my upcoming
target takeover list.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-10-29 00:30:45 UTC

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Deacon is still on the younger than me list and Hatfield,
dead at the same age,was bumped off to make room for Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched Darren
Dicks.

Cara's addition to the died-younger-than-me (she did not live
forever,even if we remember her name) drives Deacon off with
Jean-Claude Duvalier next on the chopping block.
I note that Fernando Valenzuela died ten days short of 64,
so in the current zone of older-than-me's...if David adds him
to the DOADB (he is not on the site at all now,apparently) he
might supersede Lay pro tempore even as I catch Audrey Hepburn.

And yes,there he is,just ahead of Boone/Siegel on my upcoming
target takeover list.

With Hepburn now behind me,Lay is back among the elders,
and Baby Doc dumped from the juniors.

Next up,Gerry Rafferty.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-10-29 20:13:34 UTC

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Deacon is still on the younger than me list and Hatfield,
dead at the same age,was bumped off to make room for Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched Darren
Dicks.

Cara's addition to the died-younger-than-me (she did not live
forever,even if we remember her name) drives Deacon off with
Jean-Claude Duvalier next on the chopping block.
I note that Fernando Valenzuela died ten days short of 64,
so in the current zone of older-than-me's...if David adds him
to the DOADB (he is not on the site at all now,apparently) he
might supersede Lay pro tempore even as I catch Audrey Hepburn.

And yes,there he is,just ahead of Boone/Siegel on my upcoming
target takeover list.

With Hepburn now behind me,Lay is back among the elders,
and Baby Doc dumped from the juniors.
Next up,Gerry Rafferty.

Drawing alongside Rafferty brings Lorenzo Music into view
among my elders,while Earl Anthony disappears in my wake.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-11-01 04:18:02 UTC

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Deacon is still on the younger than me list and Hatfield,
dead at the same age,was bumped off to make room for Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched Darren
Dicks.

Cara's addition to the died-younger-than-me (she did not live
forever,even if we remember her name) drives Deacon off with
Jean-Claude Duvalier next on the chopping block.
I note that Fernando Valenzuela died ten days short of 64,
so in the current zone of older-than-me's...if David adds him
to the DOADB (he is not on the site at all now,apparently) he
might supersede Lay pro tempore even as I catch Audrey Hepburn.

And yes,there he is,just ahead of Boone/Siegel on my upcoming
target takeover list.

With Hepburn now behind me,Lay is back among the elders,
and Baby Doc dumped from the juniors.
Next up,Gerry Rafferty.

Drawing alongside Rafferty brings Lorenzo Music into view
among my elders,while Earl Anthony disappears in my wake.

Next in my sights is Mickey Mantle,about a month away...and
I note that (not in the database) Hank Steinbrenner is among
the other 63-year-olds I have already outlived,sharing of course
a Yankees connection with Mantle,as well as having died from a
disease of the liver.(I have already outlived Mantle's original
liver,replaced in a transplant shortly before his death).

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-12-02 07:35:24 UTC

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Deacon is still on the younger than me list and Hatfield,
dead at the same age,was bumped off to make room for Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched Darren
Dicks.

Cara's addition to the died-younger-than-me (she did not live
forever,even if we remember her name) drives Deacon off with
Jean-Claude Duvalier next on the chopping block.
I note that Fernando Valenzuela died ten days short of 64,
so in the current zone of older-than-me's...if David adds him
to the DOADB (he is not on the site at all now,apparently) he
might supersede Lay pro tempore even as I catch Audrey Hepburn.

And yes,there he is,just ahead of Boone/Siegel on my upcoming
target takeover list.

With Hepburn now behind me,Lay is back among the elders,
and Baby Doc dumped from the juniors.
Next up,Gerry Rafferty.

Drawing alongside Rafferty brings Lorenzo Music into view
among my elders,while Earl Anthony disappears in my wake.

I have overtaken Mantle,with Nelson Riddle now appearing at the
far end of my elders,beyond Music.

Next up,Valenzuela.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2024-12-13 08:56:37 UTC

celebrities who died younger than you.
www.doadb.com/diedyounger.htm
It's limited to people already in my main data base who died
within the last fifty years.

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?

[David answered this on another branch]

Post by Louis Epstein
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

Don't go there looking to compare yourself to
Socrates, Queen Isabella, or Ritche Valens. Do go there to compare
yourself to Queen Elizabeth, Chuck Berry, and Fred "Rerun" Berry.
Other than that, it should be self-explanatory.

In Lynx,I am only able to specify year and month and not day.
In Firefox,it works (I am on par with Lee Marvin,between Dick
York and William Holden).

I am now bearing down on Allen Ludden.

I have now tied Ludden.

Will find out tomorrow,I suppose.

Deacon is still on the younger than me list and Hatfield,
dead at the same age,was bumped off to make room for Ludden.

Post by Louis Epstein
Ludden's disqualification from "older than me" has led to that list
now including Dick Sargent,so I am now betwixt the two Bewitched
Darren Dicks.

Now closer to the middle of them.

Post by Louis Epstein
Irene Cara's now brings on Ken Lay,who the database credits
as "founder" of Enron and uninterruptedly CEO until 2002...
actually,he was head of Houston Natural Gas from shortly
before InterNorth bought it,and in the merger managed to
get the board to make him CEO in place of InterNorth's Sam
Segnar to whom he had become second-in-command...and toward
the end of his accounting games he had stepped down as CEO
in favor of Jeffrey Skilling,only to have to resume the post
when Skilling tried quitting before the bankruptcy as a means
of escaping the consequences (he got nailed anyway,and when
Lay died Lay's share of the financial penalties was reassigned
to Skilling by the courts).

Cara's addition to the died-younger-than-me (she did not live
forever,even if we remember her name) drives Deacon off with
Jean-Claude Duvalier next on the chopping block.
I note that Fernando Valenzuela died ten days short of 64,
so in the current zone of older-than-me's...if David adds him
to the DOADB (he is not on the site at all now,apparently) he
might supersede Lay pro tempore even as I catch Audrey Hepburn.

And yes,there he is,just ahead of Boone/Siegel on my upcoming
target takeover list.

With Hepburn now behind me,Lay is back among the elders,
and Baby Doc dumped from the juniors.
Next up,Gerry Rafferty.

Drawing alongside Rafferty brings Lorenzo Music into view
among my elders,while Earl Anthony disappears in my wake.

I have overtaken Mantle,with Nelson Riddle now appearing at the
far end of my elders,beyond Music.

(The twenty people flanking me cover a range of about one year,
from Ron Palillo up to Riddle...I wonder at what age the lifespans
are densest).

Post by Louis Epstein
Next up,Valenzuela.

Post by Louis Epstein
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

David Carson

2024-10-15 12:53:31 UTC

Post by David Carson
It's limited to people already in my main data base who died within
the last fifty years.

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?

Rolling.

Post by Louis Epstein
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

They must and they will.

David Carson

2024-10-15 14:27:45 UTC

Post by David Carson
It's limited to people already in my main data base who died within
the last fifty years.

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?

Rolling.

Post by Louis Epstein
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

They must and they will.

Since I launched this feature, Joe Flynn, Cass Elliott, Cliff
Arquette, and Doyle Blackwood have dropped off. They died at 49, 32,
68, and 63 years old, respectively. Stafford Repp (56) and Richard
Long (47) will drop off by this year's end.

Meanwhile, eight recent deaths (Pete Rose, Kris Kristofferson, Maggie
Smith, J. D. Souther, Tito Jackson, James Earl Jones, John Amos, and
Phil Donahue) have been added. Their ages range from 70 to 93.

David Carson

Louis Epstein

2024-10-15 23:50:57 UTC

Post by David Carson
It's limited to people already in my main data base who died within
the last fifty years.

Is that a rolling fifty years or a fixed date about 50 years ago?

Rolling.

So if I overtake Jeanne Calment (1875-1997) in 2083
I will only be compared to people who died after 2033?

Post by Louis Epstein
Would be funny if people who died in 1974 etc. started disappearing
from lists.

They must and they will.

Of all those I have passed everyone but Arquette.

Post by David Carson
Meanwhile, eight recent deaths (Pete Rose, Kris Kristofferson, Maggie
Smith, J. D. Souther, Tito Jackson, James Earl Jones, John Amos, and
Phil Donahue) have been added. Their ages range from 70 to 93.

Not sure how much overlap there is between your database and that used
by dead.atyourage.com (I hope theirs was saved somewhere) or of the
relative sizes.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Mig.Rhodes

2024-10-16 16:30:23 UTC

I'm not au fait with all this. I've checked in and inserted my DOB to be
told that somebody called Dave Thomas, founder of Wendy's restaurant
chain, died 5 days younger than me, and that the jazz drummer Buddy Rich
died 11 days younger. The actress Margot Kidder, was 13 days older when
she did away with herself with a cocktail of drugs and alcohol.

Louis Epstein

2024-12-02 07:36:23 UTC

Post by Mig.Rhodes
I'm not au fait with all this. I've checked in and inserted my DOB to be
told that somebody called Dave Thomas, founder of Wendy's restaurant
chain, died 5 days younger than me, and that the jazz drummer Buddy Rich
died 11 days younger. The actress Margot Kidder, was 13 days older when
she did away with herself with a cocktail of drugs and alcohol.

Presumably you have now left Kidder in your wake.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Jason

2024-08-18 21:37:51 UTC

Works great on the Microsoft Edge Browser.
I'm between Larry Fine (of 3 Stooges fame) and writer Isaac Asimov.

Lenona

2025-01-31 19:42:01 UTC

What surprises ME, lately, is how often certain people are capable of
living to 70. Namely, undeniably obese famous people.

(This is relevant since I'm guessing most of us are well over 40, and
we've all heard of obese people dying before they turn 50. Oddly,
though, right now I can only think of three such people who died for
health reasons NOT connected to drugs - Fats Waller, John Candy and
Broadway singer/composer Jack Eric Williams. I found a few others just
now, but I'd never heard of them, and I suspect most members here
haven't either. They died relatively recently.)

A few examples of those who made it to 70 or more (I'm not sure if any
of these people managed to lose a lot of weight in their later years):

President Taft

Pavarotti

Alan Hale Jr.

Meat Loaf

And Darlene Cates ("What's Eating Gilbert Grape") made it to 69.

Lenona

2025-01-31 19:49:04 UTC

Oh, yes - Curly Howard was only 48.

But...Joe Besser, who replaced Shemp Howard, made it to 80!

Lenona

2025-01-31 20:54:16 UTC

Mistake - I could have sworn Alan Hale Jr. was born in 1918, but both
the IMDb and Wikipedia say 1921.

So he would have been 68.

Louis Epstein

2025-02-01 04:20:25 UTC

Post by Lenona
Mistake - I could have sworn Alan Hale Jr. was born in 1918, but both
the IMDb and Wikipedia say 1921.
So he would have been 68.

Well,he lasted longer than Alan Sr. (1892-1950),
just as Jason Robards Jr.(1922-2000)
lasted longer than Jason Sr.(1892-1963),
Noah Beery Jr.(1913-1994)
lasted longer than Noah Sr.(1882-1946),
and Lon Chaney Jr. (1906-1973)
lasted longer than Lon Sr.(1883-1930).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-31 21:15:04 UTC

Post by Lenona
. . .
A few examples of those who made it to 70 or more (I'm not sure if any
President Taft

Taft didn't want to be president. He gained weight due to stress.
Shortly after he lost the election, he lost the weight. He wasn't obese
as chief justice.

Post by Lenona
Pavarotti
Alan Hale Jr.
Meat Loaf
And Darlene Cates ("What's Eating Gilbert Grape") made it to 69.

Lenona

2025-01-31 21:43:28 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Lenona
. . .
A few examples of those who made it to 70 or more (I'm not sure if any
President Taft

Taft didn't want to be president. He gained weight due to stress.
Shortly after he lost the election, he lost the weight. He wasn't obese
as chief justice.

You're sure?

One source says yes, he lost a lot of weight - BUT, by 1929, when he was
still Chief Justice, he still weighed 244 lbs.

At 5' 11.5", that's a BMI of somewhere between 33 and 34.

Truly obese.

(Even if you're at 6 feet and you weigh 200, that's still in the
pre-obesity range. It's worse than being 5' 5" and weighing 160.)

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-31 21:51:01 UTC

Post by Lenona

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Lenona
. . .
A few examples of those who made it to 70 or more (I'm not sure if any
President Taft

Taft didn't want to be president. He gained weight due to stress.
Shortly after he lost the election, he lost the weight. He wasn't obese
as chief justice.

You're sure?
One source says yes, he lost a lot of weight - BUT, by 1929, when he was
still Chief Justice, he still weighed 244 lbs.

Ok, but he weighed a lot more whilst president.

Post by Lenona
At 5' 11.5", that's a BMI of somewhere between 33 and 34.
Truly obese.
(Even if you're at 6 feet and you weigh 200, that's still in the
pre-obesity range. It's worse than being 5' 5" and weighing 160.)

Lenona

2025-02-03 15:49:03 UTC

Post by Lenona
we've all heard of obese people dying before they turn 50. Oddly,
though, right now I can only think of three such people who died for
health reasons NOT connected to drugs - Fats Waller, John Candy and
Broadway singer/composer Jack Eric Williams.

Oh, yes - Mama Cass Elliot, at 32, poor thing.

And just in case any regular here STILL doesn't know...she died from a
heart attack. NOT the other, fictional way.

I had heard that it was triggered by a crash diet, but Wikipedia says
that diet was in 1968, six years BEFORE her death.

More from Wikipedia:

..Elliot left that party at 8:00 p.m. on Sunday, July 28 (1974), saying
she was tired and needed to get some sleep.[25]

Elliot retired to an apartment in Mayfair at Flat 12, 9 Curzon Place
(later Curzon Square), Shepherd Market, Mayfair, London, owned by
singer-songwriter Harry Nilsson who allowed her to stay there. Later
that night, several hours after Elliot left Jack Martin's cocktail
party, she died in her sleep at age 32. Her body was discovered by a
close friend of hers who went to check on her. According to Keith
Simpson, who conducted her autopsy,[25] she died of a heart attack, and
there were no drugs in her system.[27][28][29] Four years later, Keith
Moon, drummer for The Who, died in the same bedroom, also aged 32
years.[30][31][32]

Elliot did not die from choking on a ham sandwich, as has been
alleged.[33][34] According to Lindsay Zoladz in The New York Times in
2024, this "cartoonish rumor—propagated in endless pop culture
references, from Austin Powers to Lost—cast a tawdry light over Elliot’s
legacy and still threatens to overshadow her mighty, underappreciated
talent."[35] In 2020, a journalist and friend of Elliot's, Sue Cameron,
publicly admitted that she promulgated the false ham sandwich story by
writing it into Elliot's obituary for The Hollywood Reporter. She
claimed she was asked to print the lie by Elliot's manager Allan Carr,
who decided that the humiliating falsehood was preferable to any
implication that Elliot's death was associated with substance abuse.[35]

Elliot's body was cremated at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery in Los
Angeles, California.[36] Her ashes were later buried in Mount Sinai
Memorial Park Cemetery in Los Angeles.[37]...

_______________________________________________

And for any fans of hers who never saw her as Witch Hazel...

(2:28 minutes)

That's Martha Raye at the beginning, with the purple scarf strung across
her two-pointed black hat. (She gets to sing in another clip from the
movie, IIRC.) The blue-faced witch is Jack Wild (Jimmy) in disguise.

Lenona

2025-02-25 21:45:07 UTC

And:

Fatty Arbuckle died at 46

Lou Costello died just before turning 53

James Gandolfini was 45

Heavy D was 44

Patrice O'Neal died at 41 (in 2011)

However, Dom DeLuise and Robbie Coltrane both made it to their 70s.

Lenona

2025-02-25 22:02:14 UTC