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<Archive Obituary> Cass Elliot (July 29th 1974)
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Bill Schenley
2007-07-29 04:55:03 UTC
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Cass Elliot, Pop Singer, Dies; Star of the Mamas and Papas;

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FROM: The New York Times (July 30th 1974) ~
By John Rockwell, Special to The Times

LONDON, July 29

" Mama" Cass Elliot, the American pop singer, died
here tonight at the age of 33.

Miss Elliot, who became famous with the Mamas
and the Papas group, became ill suddenly in her
Mayfair apartment. An autopsy will be held. She
was in London preparing to give a concert. Her
physician said the singer probably choked on a
sandwich.

A Hearty Performer

Miss Elliot had pursued a solo career since 1968,
but she was still best known to the general public
as the largest, most visible member of the Mamas
and the Papas, a folk-rock group formed in 1965.

Miss Elliot sang contralto with the group, and
served as the large, homey foil to the ethereal
beauty and the soprano of Michelle Phillips. But
by 1967 signs of strain had become obvious in the
group, and Miss Elliot precipitated the final
breakup by embarking on a solo career in 1968.

If it did not bring her the widespread celebrity and
the commercial success she had enjoyed in the
mid-nineteen-sixties, it still amounted to a
successful working career. Miss Elliot appeared in
nightclubs and concerts, was a guest on television
shows, and kept on producing records. At her
death, she was preparing for a British tour.

Miss Elliot, formerly Ellen Naomi Cohen, was
born in Baltimore on Feb. 19, 1941, and raised in
Baltimore and in Arlington, Va. By the age of 17
she had manifested an interest in acting, and had
assumed the name Cassandra Elliot - her father, a
restaurateur, had nicknamed her Cass after the
Trojan prophetess; the Elliot, she said later in an
interview, was in honor of a friend who had been
killed in an automobile accident.

She moved to Greenwich Village at the age of
19, appeared in a number of Off Broadway
productions, and directed at the Cafe La Mama.
She also began to perform as a folk singer in
New York's then-burgeoning folk scene. She
was a member of a short-lived group called the
Big Three - which included her husband, James
Hendricks and of another group called
Mugwumps, which included Denny Doherty, the
future Papa, as well as John Sebastian and Zal
Yanovsky, who later helped form the Lovin'
Spoonful.

Miss Elliot's reputation for honesty and hearty,
self-parodistic good times did much to endear
the Mamas and the Papas to their fans. Miss
Elliot stood as proof that one didn't have to be
beautiful or thin to be successful and idolized and
to live in lavish Beverly Hills splendor. During
her solo career, Miss Elliot, who stood 5 feet
5 inches tall and weighed up to 250 pounds,
pursued a variety of crash diets, and at one time
claimed to have lost 120 pounds. But she retained
her earthy image until the end.

Miss Elliot divorced Mr. Hendricks in 1969, after
six years of marriage. In 1972 she was married
to Baron Donald von Weidenman, a German
nobleman, and later divorced. She is survived by
a daughter, Owen Vanessa, from her first marriage;
her mother, Bess Cohen; a brother, Joseph Cohen;
and a sister, Leah Kunkel.
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Dream a Little Dream of Me


California Dreamin'

(w/The Mamas and the Papas)
n***@earthlink.net
2007-07-29 05:34:15 UTC
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Post by Bill Schenley
Cass Elliot, Pop Singer, Dies; Star of the Mamas and Papas;
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FROM: The New York Times (July 30th 1974) ~
By John Rockwell, Special to The Times
LONDON, July 29
" Mama" Cass Elliot, the American pop singer, died
here tonight at the age of 33.
Miss Elliot, who became famous with the Mamas
and the Papas group, became ill suddenly in her
Mayfair apartment. An autopsy will be held. She
was in London preparing to give a concert. Her
physician said the singer probably choked on a
sandwich.
A Hearty Performer
Miss Elliot had pursued a solo career since 1968,
but she was still best known to the general public
as the largest, most visible member of the Mamas
and the Papas, a folk-rock group formed in 1965.
Miss Elliot sang contralto with the group, and
served as the large, homey foil to the ethereal
beauty and the soprano of Michelle Phillips. But
by 1967 signs of strain had become obvious in the
group, and Miss Elliot precipitated the final
breakup by embarking on a solo career in 1968.
If it did not bring her the widespread celebrity and
the commercial success she had enjoyed in the
mid-nineteen-sixties, it still amounted to a
successful working career. Miss Elliot appeared in
nightclubs and concerts, was a guest on television
shows, and kept on producing records. At her
death, she was preparing for a British tour.
Miss Elliot, formerly Ellen Naomi Cohen, was
born in Baltimore on Feb. 19, 1941, and raised in
Baltimore and in Arlington, Va. By the age of 17
she had manifested an interest in acting, and had
assumed the name Cassandra Elliot - her father, a
restaurateur, had nicknamed her Cass after the
Trojan prophetess; the Elliot, she said later in an
interview, was in honor of a friend who had been
killed in an automobile accident.
She moved to Greenwich Village at the age of
19, appeared in a number of Off Broadway
productions, and directed at the Cafe La Mama.
She also began to perform as a folk singer in
New York's then-burgeoning folk scene. She
was a member of a short-lived group called the
Big Three - which included her husband, James
Hendricks and of another group called
Mugwumps, which included Denny Doherty, the
future Papa, as well as John Sebastian and Zal
Yanovsky, who later helped form the Lovin'
Spoonful.
Miss Elliot's reputation for honesty and hearty,
self-parodistic good times did much to endear
the Mamas and the Papas to their fans. Miss
Elliot stood as proof that one didn't have to be
beautiful or thin to be successful and idolized and
to live in lavish Beverly Hills splendor. During
her solo career, Miss Elliot, who stood 5 feet
5 inches tall and weighed up to 250 pounds,
pursued a variety of crash diets, and at one time
claimed to have lost 120 pounds. But she retained
her earthy image until the end.
Miss Elliot divorced Mr. Hendricks in 1969, after
six years of marriage. In 1972 she was married
to Baron Donald von Weidenman, a German
nobleman, and later divorced. She is survived by
a daughter, Owen Vanessa, from her first marriage;
her mother, Bess Cohen; a brother, Joseph Cohen;
and a sister, Leah Kunkel.
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Dream a Little Dream of http://youtu.be/9La73DAKqoA
California http://youtu.be/-wI6uAOHzvo
(w/The Mamas and the Papas)
The "Choking on a sandwich" part is urban legend. Cass died of a heart
attack.
Brad Ferguson
2007-07-29 06:18:48 UTC
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Post by n***@earthlink.net
The "Choking on a sandwich" part is urban legend. Cass died of a heart
attack.
At risk of scaring up another row about this, it's not quite an urban
legend. It's not true, but it wasn't made up out of whole cloth,
either. The Times hung the sandwich story on Cass's physician, which
probably seemed authoritative to them. From what we know now, a cop
who went to the scene saw the partly eaten sandwich and jumped to the
wrong conclusion. Cass's doctor had to have gotten the story from the
cops because, really, at that early hour there was no place else to
have gotten it. The coroner cleared all this up during his
investigation, but that hasn't mattered to some, who continue to
believe what they heard in the first place.
Bill Schenley
2007-07-30 06:48:50 UTC
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Post by Brad Ferguson
Post by n***@earthlink.net
The "Choking on a sandwich" part is urban legend.
Cass died of a heart attack.
At risk of scaring up another row about this, it's not
quite an urban legend. It's not true, but it wasn't made
up out of whole cloth, either. The Times hung the
sandwich story on Cass's physician, which probably
seemed authoritative to them. From what we know
now, a cop who went to the scene saw the partly eaten
sandwich and jumped to the wrong conclusion. Cass's
doctor had to have gotten the story from the cops because,
really, at that early hour there was no place else to have
gotten it. The coroner cleared all this up during his
investigation, but that hasn't mattered to some, who
continue to believe what they heard in the first place.
Still, on AO, it doesn't matter if the discussion is about Mama Cass or
Peggy Cass, T.S. Eliot or Sam Elliott ... someone will post that the "ham
sandwich" is just an urban legend. And when the shouting dies down ...
someone else will tell the Karen Carpenter joke. Been going on for at least
ten years.

Then, finally, someone else will let us know that: "She was Jewish, for
*Christ's* sake!"
Larc
2007-07-30 12:57:02 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:48:50 -0400, "Bill Schenley" <***@ma.rr.com> wrote:

| Still, on AO, it doesn't matter if the discussion is about Mama Cass or
| Peggy Cass, T.S. Eliot or Sam Elliott ... someone will post that the "ham
| sandwich" is just an urban legend. And when the shouting dies down ...
| someone else will tell the Karen Carpenter joke. Been going on for at least
| ten years.

Michelle Phillips has confirmed it was a partly eaten ham sandwich.

| Then, finally, someone else will let us know that: "She was Jewish, for
| *Christ's* sake!"

So that necessarily makes a difference? A Jewish friend of mine never misses an
opportunity to have some "pink turkey" when he visits on appropriate holidays.

Larc



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John M.
2007-07-30 23:52:07 UTC
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Post by Bill Schenley
Post by Brad Ferguson
Post by n***@earthlink.net
The "Choking on a sandwich" part is urban legend.
Cass died of a heart attack.
At risk of scaring up another row about this, it's not
quite an urban legend. It's not true, but it wasn't made
up out of whole cloth, either. The Times hung the
sandwich story on Cass's physician, which probably
seemed authoritative to them. From what we know
now, a cop who went to the scene saw the partly eaten
sandwich and jumped to the wrong conclusion. Cass's
doctor had to have gotten the story from the cops because,
really, at that early hour there was no place else to have
gotten it. The coroner cleared all this up during his
investigation, but that hasn't mattered to some, who
continue to believe what they heard in the first place.
Still, on AO, it doesn't matter if the discussion is about Mama Cass or
Peggy Cass, T.S. Eliot or Sam Elliott ... someone will post that the "ham
sandwich" is just an urban legend. And when the shouting dies down ...
someone else will tell the Karen Carpenter joke. Been going on for at least
ten years.
Wow, and nothing about the Hamlick maneuver?

--

John M.

Bill Schenley
2007-07-29 06:30:55 UTC
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Post by n***@earthlink.net
Her physician said the singer probably choked
on a sandwich.
The "Choking on a sandwich" part is urban legend.
Cass died of a heart attack.
Roy? Is that you, Roy?

Hey ... It was in the New York Times ... and now it's on the Internet ... So
it must be doubly true.
MLW
2007-07-29 15:57:03 UTC
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Post by Bill Schenley
Post by n***@earthlink.net
Her physician said the singer probably choked
on a sandwich.
The "Choking on a sandwich" part is urban legend.
Cass died of a heart attack.
Roy? Is that you, Roy?
Hey ... It was in the New York Times ... and now it's on the Internet ... So
it must be doubly true.
Then there's the macabre joke, "If only Cass Elliot had given Karen
Carpenter that sandwich."

MLW
hugh
2007-07-29 16:07:14 UTC
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What kind of sandwich was it?
neptune
2007-07-30 04:42:49 UTC
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Post by hugh
What kind of sandwich was it?
Ham. I believe there was a ham sandwich in the room that she died in,
and thus began the rumor.
Brad Ferguson
2007-07-29 17:32:16 UTC
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Post by MLW
Post by Bill Schenley
Post by n***@earthlink.net
Her physician said the singer probably choked
on a sandwich.
The "Choking on a sandwich" part is urban legend.
Cass died of a heart attack.
Roy? Is that you, Roy?
Hey ... It was in the New York Times ... and now it's on the Internet ... So
it must be doubly true.
Then there's the macabre joke, "If only Cass Elliot had given Karen
Carpenter that sandwich."
That's the other thing. Karen Carpenter died from cumulative ipecac
poisoning. Whether she'd eaten the sandwich or not would have made no
difference.
hugh
2007-07-29 18:56:10 UTC
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Thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it.
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