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LIST: Living persons who are 80 or older
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David Carson
2019-12-02 01:44:14 UTC
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The following 447 living people are all at least 80 years old:
(*) indicates 90 to 99 (89 people on this list)
(!) indicates 100 and over (5 people on this list)

Hank Aaron - baseball player
Danny Aiello - actor, "Do the Right Thing"
Madeleine Albright - U.S. Secretary of State
Tenley Albright - figure skater
Alan Alda - actor, "M*A*S*H"
Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin - U.S. astronaut
Woody Allen - film director, "Annie Hall"
Bobby Allison - auto racer, NASCAR
Herb Alpert - trumpeter and music executive
(*) Ed Ames - tomahawk-throwing actor
Bill Anders - U.S. astronaut, Apollo 8
Ursula Andress - actress, "Dr. No"
Julie Andrews - singer/actress, "The Sound of Music"
Luis Aparicio - major-league shortstop
Sergio Aragones - cartoonist, "MAD"
(*) Bill Archer - U.S. Congressman, Texas
Alan Arkin - actor, "Little Miss Sunshine"
Giorgio Armani - fashion designer
Elizabeth Ashley - actress, "Evening Shade"
(*) Ed Asner - actor, Lou Grant
John Astin - actor, "The Addams Family"
(*) David Attenborough - nature documentary writer/narrator
(*) Burt Bacharach - songwriter, "What the World Needs Now is Love"
Max Baer Jr. - actor, "The Beverly Hillbillies"
F. Lee Bailey - criminal defense attorney
Barbara Bain - actress, "Mission: Impossible"
James Baker III - U.S. cabinet member/White House chief of staff
Joe Don Baker - actor, "Walking Tall"
Tom Baker - actor, "Doctor Who"
Jim Bakker - televangelist
Phil Balsley - country singer, the Statler Brothers
John Barbour - TV host, "Real People"
Brigitte Bardot - actress/sex kitten
(*) Bob Barker - game show host
Rona Barrett - gossip columnist
Barbara Barrie - actress, "Barney Miller"
Jeff Barry - pop songwriter, "Leader of the Pack"
Shirley Bassey - singer, "Goldfinger"
(*) Orson Bean - actor, "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman"
Ned Beatty - actor, "Deliverance"
Warren Beatty - actor, "Heaven Can Wait"
(*) Harry Belafonte - calypso singer
(*) Pope Benedict XVI - Roman Catholic pope
Richard Benjamin - actor, "The Sunshine Boys"
(*) Tony Bennett - singer
Silvio Berlusconi - Italian prime minister
(*) Honor Blackman - actress, "Goldfinger"
Robert Blake - actor, "Baretta"
Peter Bonerz - actor, "The Bob Newhart Show"
Pat Boone - pop singer, "Love Letters in the Sand"
(*) Frank Borman - U.S. astronaut
(*) Bobby Bowden - college football coach, Florida State Seminoles
Stephen Breyer - U.S. Supreme Court justice
Lou Brock - major leaguer, St. Louis Cardinals
Wilford Brimley - actor, "Cocoon"
Nicholas Brady - U.S. secretary of treasury
(*) Mel Brooks - director, "Young Frankenstein"
Jerry Brown - governor of California
Jim Brown - Hall of Fame football player
Johnny Brown - actor, "Good Times"
Lee P. Brown - mayor of Houston, Texas
Pat Buchanan - political figure and commentator
Warren Buffett - investor, Berkshire Hathaway
Carol Burnett - actress, "The Carol Burnett Show"
Ellen Burstyn - actress, "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore"
Dick Button - figure skater
Ruth Buzzi - actress, "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In"
John Byner - actor, "Bizarre"
Edd Byrnes - actor, "77 Sunset Strip"
James Caan - actor, "The Godfather"
Michael Caine - actor
(*) Pierre Cardin - fashion designer
Diahann Carroll - actress, "Dynasty"
(*) Jimmy Carter - U.S. president
(*) Rosalynn Carter - U.S. first lady
Dick Cavett - TV host, "The Dick Cavett Show"
Richard Chamberlain - actor, "Dr. Kildare"
(*) Noam Chomsky - leftist linguist
Tommy Chong - comedian and actor, Cheech and Chong
Jean Chrétien - Canadian prime minister
Benjamin Civiletti - U.S. attorney general
Petula Clark - singer, "Downtown"
(*) Robert Clary - actor, "Hogan's Heroes"
(!) Beverly Cleary - children's author, "The Mouse and the Motorcycle"
John Cleese - actor, "Monty Python's Flying Circus"
David Allan Coe - country singer, "You Never Even Called Me By My Name"
Dabney Coleman - actor, "Nine to Five"
Joan Collins - actress, "Dynasty"
Michael Collins - U.S. astronaut
Sean Connery - actor
Robert Conrad - actor, "The Wild Wild West"
Francis Ford Coppola - film director, "The Godfather"
(*) Roger Corman - film producer
Bill Cosby - actor, "The Cosby Show"
Ronny Cox - actor, "Deliverance"
Billy "Crash" Craddock - country singer, "Rub It In"
(*) Javier Perez de Cuellar - U.N. secretary-general
Walter Cunningham - U.S. astronaut
Charlie Daniels - fiddler, "The Devil Went Down to Georgia"
Clive Davis - music executive
John Dean - Watergate scandal figure
(!) Olivia De Havilland - actress
Judi Dench - actress, M
Brian Dennehy - actor, "Cocoon"
Bruce Dern - actor, "The Cowboys"
Alan Dershowitz - attorney
Angie Dickinson - actress, "Police Woman"
Dion DiMucci - pop singer, "The Wanderer"
(*) David Dinkins - mayor of New York City
Annette Dionne - quintuplet
Cecile Dionne - quintuplet
Mike Ditka - NFL footall player and coach
James Dobson - Christian radio host, "Focus on the Family"
(*) Bob Dole - U.S. Senator, Kansas
Elizabeth Dole - U.S. cabinet secretary
Phil Donahue - TV host
Sam Donaldson - White House correspondent
Richard Donner - film director, "Lethal Weapon"
(!) Kirk Douglas - actor
(*) Hugh Downs - TV host
(*) Mort Drucker - cartoonist, "MAD"
James Drury - actor, "The Virginian"
Ja'net DuBois - actress, "Good Times"
Michael Dukakis - U.S. presidential nominee
Olympia Dukakis - actress, "Moonstruck"
Charles Duke - U.S. astronaut, Apollo 16
Keir Dullea - actor, "2001: A Space Odysey"
Robert Duvall - actor, "The Godfather"
Clint Eastwood - actor
Duane Eddy - guitarist
Barbara Eden - actress, "I Dream of Jeannie"
(*) Edwin Edwards - Louisiana governor
(*) Queen Elizabeth II - British head of state
Daniel Ellsberg - political activist
Bob Eubanks - game show host, "The Newlywed Game"
Don Everly - pop singer, the Everly Brothers
Jamie Farr - actor, "M*A*S*H"
Louis Farrakhan - activist, Nation of Islam
Mike Farrell - actor, "M*A*S*H"
(*) Jules Feiffer - cartoonist, "The New Yorker"
Dianne Feinstein - U.S. Senator, California
Barbara Feldon - actress, "Get Smart"
Siegfried Fischbacher - magician and animal tamer
Roberta Flack - soul singer, "Killing Me Softly With His Song"
(*) Rhonda Fleming - actress, "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral"
Louise Fletcher - actress, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"
Jane Fonda - actress, "Barbarella"
(*) Whitey Ford - Hall of Fame baseball player
A.J. Foyt - auto racer
Connie Francis - singer, "Who's Sorry Now"
Pope Francis - Roman Catholic pope
Morgan Freeman - actor, "Driving Miss Daisy"
Bill Gaither - southern gospel singer
Ron Galella - candid celebrity photographer
Valentino Garavani - fashion designer
Jake Garn - U.S. Senator, Utah
Mitzi Gaynor - actress, "Golden Girl"
(*) Frank Gehry - architect
Marla Gibbs - actress, "The Jeffersons"
Bob Gibson - Hall of Fame baseball player
Mickey Gilley - country singer
(*) Valery Giscard d'Estaing - French president
Ruth Bader Ginsburg - U.S. Supreme Court justice
Mark Goddard - actor, "Lost In Space"
William Lee Golden - country singer, the Oak Ridge Boys
Jane Goodall - chimpanzee researcher
Mikhail Gorbachev - Soviet Secretary General
(*) Berry Gordy - record producer, Motown
Louis Gossett Jr. - actor, "An Officer and a Gentleman"
Elliott Gould - actor, "M*A*S*H"
Bob Graham - U.S. Senator, Florida
(*) Bud Grant - NFL head coach, Minnesota Vikings
(*) Lee Grant - actress, "Shampoo"
(*) Shecky Greene - comedian
(*) Alan Greenspan - US federal reserve chairman
Gene Hackman - actor
Fred Haise - U.S. astronaut, Apollo 13
Tom T. Hall - country singer, "I Love"
George Hamilton - tanned actor
James Hampton - actor, "F-Troop"
(*) Jerry Hardin - actor, "The X-Files"
Estelle Harris - actress, "Seinfeld"
Gary Hart - U.S. Senator, Colorado
David Hartman - TV host, "Good Morning America"
Buck Henry - actor and screenwriter
Clarence "Frogman" Henry - singer, "Ain't Got No Home"
Whitey Herzog - baseball manager
Judd Hirsch - actor, "Taxi"
Hiro - photographer, "Harper's Bazaar"
Dustin Hoffman - actor, "The Graduate"
Paul Hogan - actor, "Crocodile Dundee"
(*) Hal Holbrook - actor, "Lincoln"
Eddie Holland - Motown songwriter
Polly Holliday - actress, "Alice"
Anthony Hopkins - actor, "The Silence of the Lambs"
Bobby Hull - NHL and WHA hockey player
Engelbert Humperdinck - singer, "After the Lovin'"
Ian Hunter - rock singer, Mott the Hoople
(*) Al Jaffee - cartoonist, "MAD"
(*) Conrad Janis - actor, "Mork and Mindy"
James Earl Jones - actor, "Field of Dreams"
Jack Jones - pop singer, "The Impossible Dream"
Quncy Jones - jazz producer
Shirley Jones - actress, "The Partridge Family"
Al Kaline - baseball player, Detroit Tigers
Nancy Kassebaum - U.S. Senator, Kansas
Anthony Kennedy - U.S. Supreme Court justice
(*) Tom Kennedy - game show host, "Password Plus"
Graham Kerr - The Galloping Gourmet
Don King - boxing promoter
Larry King - TV host
(*) Henry Kissinger - U.S. secretary of state
Charles Koch - businessman and political donor
Walter Koenig - actor, "Star Trek"
Bernie Kopell - actor, "The Love Boat"
Yaphet Kotto - actor, "Live and Let Die"
Sandy Koufax - baseball player
Gene Kranz - NASA flight director
Kreskin - mentalist and TV host
Kris Kristofferson - songwriter/actor, "A Star Is Born"
Marty Krofft - TV producer, "Land of the Lost"
(*) Sid Krofft - TV producer, "Land of the Lost"
Mills Lane - boxing referee and TV judge
Frank Langella - actor, "Dracula"
(*) Angela Lansbury - actress, "Murder, She Wrote"
(*) Don Larsen - major leaguer, NY Yankees
(*) Tommy Lasorda - major-league manager
Ralph Lauren - fashion designer
Linda Lavin - actress, "Alice"
Carol Lawrence - Broadway singer/actress
Steve Lawrence - singer
George Lazenby - actor, "On Her Majesty's Secret Service"
(*) Cloris Leachman - actress, "Phyllis"
(*) Norman Lear - TV producer
Michael Learned - actress, "The Waltons"
Jim Lehrer - TV journalist, "The MacNeil/Lehrer Report"
(*) Tom Lehrer - musical satirist, "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park"
Richard Lester - director, "A Hard Day's Night"
Tom Lester - actor, "Green Acres"
Jerry Lee Lewis - singer, "Great Balls of Fire"
G. Gordon Liddy - Watergate conspirator
Gordon Lightfoot - pop singer, "Sundown"
Hal Linden - actor, Barney Miller
(*) James Lipton - TV host, "Inside the Actor's Studio"
Rich Little - impressionist
Christopher Lloyd - actor, "Back to the Future"
(!) Norman Lloyd - actor, "St. Elsewhere"
(*) June Lockhart - actress, "Lost In Space"
(*) Gina Lollobrigida - actress
Trini Lopez - singer, "Lemon Tree"
Sophia Loren - actress
Tina Louise - actress, "Gilligan's Island"
(*) Jim Lovell - U.S. astronaut
Loretta Lynn - country singer
(!) Vera Lynn - WWII pop singer, "We'll Meet Again"
John MacArthur - pastor and Bible teacher, "Grace to You"
Ali MacGraw - actress, "Love Story"
Gavin MacLeod - actor, "The Love Boat"
Robert MacNeil - TV journalist, "The MacNeil/Lehrer Report"
Shirley MacLaine - actress, "Terms of Endearment"
John Madden - football coach and commentator
Lee Majors - actor, "The Six Million Dollar Man"
(*) Imelda Marcos - Philippine first lady
(*) Peter Marshall - game show host, "The Hollywood Squares"
Paul Martin - Canadian prime minister
Wink Martindale - game show host
Ken Mattingly - U.S. astronaut, Apollo 16
Jackie Mason - comedian/actor, "The Jerk"
Johnny Mathis - singer, "Misty"
Peter Max - pop artist
Willie Mays - baseball player
(*) Jim McDivitt - U.S. astronaut, Apollo 9
Bob McGrath - actor, "Sesame Street"
Drayton McLane - business & sports executive
Larry McMurtry - novelist, "Lonesome Dove"
Edwin Meese - U.S. attorney general
Lee Meriwether - actress, "Barnaby Jones"
Barbara Mikulski - U.S. Senator, Maryland
(*) Vera Miles - actress, "Psycho"
George Mitchell - U.S. Senator, Maine
(*) Walter Mondale - U.S. vice president
Rita Moreno - actress, "West Side Story"
Jaye P. Morgan - game show panelist, "The Gong Show"
(*) Ennio Morricone - film soundtrack composer, "The Mission"
Garrett Morris - actor, "Saturday Night Live"
Bill Moyers - journalist and commentator, PBS
Brent Musburger - TV sportscaster
(*) Hosni Mubarak - Egyptian president
(*) Roger Mudd - TV journalist
Diana Muldaur - actress, "L.A. Law"
Brian Mulroney - Canadian prime minister
Rupert Murdoch - chairman, News Corp
Ralph Nader - consumer activist
Willie Nelson - country singer
(*) Bob Newhart - actor, "The Bob Newhart Show"
Julie Newmar - actress, "Batman"
Nichelle Nichols - actress, "Star Trek"
Jack Nicholson - actor
Phil Niekro - baseball player, Atlanta Braves
Kim Novak - actress, "Vertigo"
Sam Nunn - U.S. Senator, Georgia
Sandra Day O'Connor - U.S. Supreme Court Justice
Peter O'Malley - baseball executive, Los Angeles Dodgers
Dennis O'Neil - comic book writer, Batman
Paul O'Neill - U.S. secretary of the treasury
Yoko Ono - avant-garde artist
Charles Osgood - news commentator and anchor
Bob Packwood - U.S. Senator, Oregon
Leon Panetta - U.S. White House Chief of Staff
Ron Paul - U.S. Congressman, Texas
"Little" Richard Penniman - rock 'n' roll pioneer
Gaylord Perry - Hall of Fame baseball player
(*) William Perry - U.S. secretary of defense
Richard Petty - auto racer
Regis Philbin - TV host
(*) Prince Philip of the U.K. - British royal family member
Gary Player - pro golfer
Christopher Plummer - actor, "The Sound of Music"
Roman Polanski - film director/statutory rapist
(*) Sidney Poitier - actor, "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"
Ron Popeil - inventor, Ronco
Maury Povich - TV host
Colin Powell - U.S. Secretary of State
(*) Jane Powell - actress, "Royal Wedding"
Charley Pride - country singer, "Kiss an Angel Good Mornin'"
Pat Priest - actress, "The Munsters"
David Prowse - actor, "Star Wars"
David Pynchon - novelist, "Gravity's Rainbow"
Mel Ramos - pin-up artist
(*) James Randi - magician
(*) Joyce Randolph - actress, "The Honeymooners"
Charles Rangel - U.S. congressman, New York
Sally Jessy Raphael - talk show host
Dan Rather - news anchor
Robert Redford - actor, "The Sting"
Vanessa Redgrave - actress, "Julia"
Rex Reed - film critic
Harold Reid - country singer, the Statler Brothers
(*) Carl Reiner - actor/director
Diana Rigg - actress, "The Avengers"
Pat Robertson - religious broadcaster
Brooks Robinson - Hall of Fame baseball player
Juan "Chichi" Rodriguez - golfer
Kenny Rogers - country singer
(*) Marion Ross - actress, "Happy Days"
George Ryan - governor of Illinois
Donald Rumsfeld - U.S. secretary of defense
Bill Russell - basketball player
Mark Russell - political satirist
(*) Eva Marie Saint - actress, "North By Northwest"
Harrison Schmitt - U.S. astronaut, Apollo 17
Charles Schwab - stockbroker
Russell Schweickart - U.S. astronaut, Apollo 9
David Scott - U.S. astronaut
Ridley Scott - film director, "Alien"
Willard Scott - TV personality and clown
(*) Vin Scully - baseball announcer, Los Angeles Dodgers
Neil Sedaka - pop singer, "Breaking Up is Hard to Do"
Bud Selig - baseball commissioner
(*) Doc Severinsen - bandleader, "The Tonight Show"
(*) Gene Shalit - film critic, "The Today Show"
Bob Shane - folk musician, The Kingston Trio
William Shatner - actor, "Star Trek"
Jack Sheldon - singer and trumpeter, "Conjunction Junction"
(*) Liz Sheridan - actress, "Seinfeld"
Sonny Shroyer - actor, "The Dukes of Hazzard"
Don Shula - NFL football coach
(*) George Shultz - U.S. cabinet secretary
Fred Silverman - television executive
Alan Simpson - U.S. Senator, Wyoming
Grace Slick - pop singer, Jefferson Airplane
Maggie Smith - actress, "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie"
William Smith - actor, "Any Which Way You Can"
Dick Smothers - folk musician/TV host, the Smothers Brothers
Tom Smothers - folk musician/TV host, the Smothers Brothers
Stephen Sondheim - Broadway musical composer
George Soros - currency speculator/political donor
David Souter - U.S. Supreme Court justice
Boris Spassky - chess player
Carroll Spinney - actor, "Sesame Street"
Thomas Stafford - U.S. astronaut
Charles Stanley - Baptist minister
Gloria Steinem - feminist
Connie Stevens - actress, "Hawaiian Eye"
Ray Stevens - country & novelty singer
Stella Stevens - actress, "Girls! Girls! Girls!"
Jackie Stewart - auto racer
(*) Jerry Stiller - actor, "Seinfeld"
Mike Stoller - pop songwriter, "Hound Dog"
Paul Stookey - folk singer, Peter, Paul & Mary
(*) Larry Storch - actor, "F-Troop"
John Sununu - White House chief of staff
Donald Sutherland - actor, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"
Jimmy Swaggart - Pentecostal evangelist
Inga Swenson - actress, "Benson"
Loretta Swit - actress, "M*A*S*H"
George Takei - actor, "Star Trek"
Joe E. Tata - actor, "Beverly Hills, 90210"
Buck Taylor - actor, "Gunsmoke"
Marlo Thomas - actress, "That Girl"
Richard Thornburgh - U.S. attorney general
Lily Tomlin - actress, "All of Me"
Ken Turner - gospel singer, The Blackwood Brothers
Ted Turner - media executive, CNN
Tina Turner - R&B singer, "What's Love Got To Do With It"
Desmond Tutu - Anglican archbishop
Cicely Tyson - actress, "The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman"
Peter Ueberroth - baseball commissioner
Bob Uecker - baseball announcer and actor
Al Unser - auto racer
Bobby Unser - auto racer
Frankie Valli - pop singer, The Four Seasons
Mamie Van Doren - actress, "High School Confidential"
(*) Dick Van Dyke - actor
Paul Verhoeven - film director, "Total Recall"
Fay Vincent Jr. - baseball comissioner
Bobby Vinton - singer, "Blue Velvet"
Bill Virdon - major-league manager
Dick Vitale - basketball announcer
Jon Voight - actor, "Coming Home"
(*) Paul Volcker - chairman, U.S. Federal Reserve
Lyle Waggoner - actor, "The Carol Burnett Show"
Robert Wagner - actor, "Hart to Hart"
(*) Barbara Walters - TV journalist and host
(*) John Warner - U.S. Senator, Virginia
(*) James Watson - DNA co-discoverer
James Watt - U.S. secretary of the interior
Henry Waxman - U.S. Congressman, California
Lowell Weicker - U.S. Senator, Connecticut
Dawn Wells - actress, "Gilligan's Island"
Jerry West - NBA basketball player
(*) Ruth Westheimer - sex counselor
(*) Betty White - actress
(*) Jim Whittaker - mountain climber
Billy Dee Williams - actor, "The Empire Strikes Back"
John Williams - film score composer, "Star Wars"
Fred Willard - actor, "Modern Family"
Pete Wilson - U.S. Senator, California
Bill Withers - pop and R&B singer
Joanne Woodward - actress
Alfred Worden - U.S. astronaut
Jo Anne Worley - performer, "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In"
Bill Wyman - rock bassist, the Rolling Stones
Peter Yarrow - singer, Peter, Paul, & Mary
Carl Yastrzemski - baseball player, Boston Red Sox
(*) Chuck Yeager - test pilot
Andrew Young - U.S. Congressman, Georgia

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Michael OConnor
2019-12-02 02:00:58 UTC
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You can scratch Diahann Carroll off your list, she died a few months back.
David Carson
2019-12-02 04:46:06 UTC
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On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 18:00:58 -0800 (PST), Michael OConnor
Post by Michael OConnor
You can scratch Diahann Carroll off your list, she died a few months back.
Darn it. Thanks.
Kenny McCormack
2019-12-02 02:01:56 UTC
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(*) indicates 90 to 99 (89 people on this list)
(!) indicates 100 and over (5 people on this list)
Diahann Carroll - actress, "Dynasty"
Didn't she just go on-topic?

Here's a clip from a recent post:

* https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/diahann-carroll-dead-pioneering-actress-julia-dynasty-was-84-1196051

* Diahann Carroll, the captivating singer and actress who came from
* the Bronx to win a Tony Award, receive an Oscar nomination and make
* television history with her turns on Julia and Dynasty, has died. She
* was 84.
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That Derek
2019-12-02 05:21:09 UTC
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ADDENDA:

George Chakiris - actor, "West Side Story"
Barrie Chase - dancer/actress, "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World"
(*) Tommy DeVito - singer, "Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons"
Nancy Dussault - actress, "Too Close for Comfort"
James Florio - former Governor of New Jersey
(*) Irwin "Sonny" Fox - TV executive; NYC kiddie-show host, "Wonderama"
(*) Joe Giella - comic book/comic strip artist, "Mary Worth"
Mike Gravel - former US Senator (D-Alaska); perennial presidential candidate
Harry Harrison - NYC radio personality, "MusicRadio 77 WABC"
(*) Bill Hayes - singer, "The Ballad of Davy Crockett"; actor, "Days of Our Lives"
Barry Humphries - Australian-born comic performe "Dame Edna Everage"
Will Hutchins - actor, "Sugarfoot"
(*) Frank Jacobs - song/poetry parodist, "MAD"
(*) Glynis Johns - Welsh-born actress, "The Court Jester"
(*) John Kander - Broadway musical composer, "Chicago"
Thomas Kean - former Governor of New Jersey; administrator, "The 9/11 Commission Report"
(*) Margaret Kerry - actress/model for Disney's "Tinkerbelle"
Charles Kimbrough - actor, "Murphy Brown"
Dianne Lennon - singer, "The Lennon Singers" [she turned 80 on 12/01/2019, the day That Derek started compiling this list]
Loretta Long - actress/educator, "Sesame Street" (as "Susan")
(!) Peggy-Jean "Baby Peggy" Montgomery - silent movie child actress
Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow - NYC radio personality, "MusicRadio77 WABC"
Dennis O'Neill - comic book author, "Batman," "Green Lantern"
Paula Prentiss - actress, "The Stepford Wives"
(*) Carmel Quinn - Irish-born singer, "The Arthur Godfrey Show"
John Romita Sr. - comic book artist, "The Amazing Spider-Man"
Annie Ross - vocalist, "Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross"; actress, "Short Cuts"
(*) Barbara Rush - actress, "The Young Philaelphians"
Ronnie Schell - comedic actor, "Gomer Pyle - USMC"
James B. Sikking - actor, "Hill Street Blues"
Dame Janet Suzman - South Aafrican-born actress, "Nicholas and Alexandria"
Liv Ullmann - Norwegian-born actress for Swedish auteur Ingmar Bergman
Jack Van Impe - TV envangelist
(*) Jimmy Weldon - LA kiddie-show host; cartoon voice-over artist, Hanna-Barbera
(*) Larry Wilde - comedian; jokebook compiler; motivational speaker
(*) Cara Williams - actress, "Pete and Gladys"
Mason Williams - comedy writer, "The Smothers Brothers"; composer/guitarist, "Classical Gas"
David Carson
2019-12-02 18:32:43 UTC
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On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 21:21:09 -0800 (PST), That Derek
Quite a few of them are already on my list.
That Derek
2019-12-02 05:34:48 UTC
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MORE ...

Elinor Donahue - actress, "Father Knows Best"
(*) Paul Dolley - film actor, "Popeye"
Michael OConnor
2019-12-02 06:02:38 UTC
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Still more...

Lee Corso - ESPN College Football Gameday host
Charles Grodin - Actor, "Heaven Can Wait"
Paul Sorvino - Actor, "Goodfellas"
Ian McKellen - Actor, "X-Men", "Lord of the Rings" movies
Libbie
2019-12-02 15:52:41 UTC
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Cicely Tyson is missing her asterisk, she turns 95 this month.
David Carson
2019-12-02 17:56:04 UTC
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Cicely Tyson is missing her asterisk, she turns 95 this month.
Her birth year is given as either 1933 or 1924, depending on the
source.
Terry del Fuego
2019-12-02 14:08:42 UTC
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Keir Dullea - actor, "2001: A Space Odysey"
Two more if you're doing "2001":

Gary Lockwood (82), also "Star Trek"

Unless his 2019 birthday still hasn't happened:
Daniel Richter (80), mime, actor, Lennon-Ono associate
Michael OConnor
2019-12-02 16:39:34 UTC
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Phil Spector, record producer turned murderer, turned 80 earlier this year.
David Carson
2019-12-02 18:01:01 UTC
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On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 08:39:34 -0800 (PST), Michael OConnor
Post by Michael OConnor
Phil Spector, record producer turned murderer, turned 80 earlier this year.
A majority of sources list his year of birth as 1940, but I looked
into it just now and found this:
https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/phil-spector-birth-certificate-1939-4417762-details.aspx

so I am changing it accordingly in my data base to 1939.
That Derek
2019-12-02 17:28:08 UTC
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STILL MORE ...

Dominic Chianese - actor, "The Sopranos"
Jimmy Clanton - 1950s rocker, "Just a Dream"
Robert Colbert - actor, "The Time Tunnel"
Patricia Crowley - actress "Please Don't Eat the Daisies"
James Darren - actor, "The Time Tun nel"
Rennie Davis - anti-war activist, "Chicago Seven"
John Froines- anti-war activist, "Chicago Seven"
Billy Gray - actor, "Father Knows Best"
Bobby Hart - songwriter, "Last Train to Clarksville"
(*) Gloria Henry - actress, "Dennis the Menace"
Frank Ifield - British pop singer, "I Remember You"
Jackie Joseph - ­ actress, "Little Shop of Horrors" (original)
Egil "Bud" Krogh - Watergate scandal figure
Barry Mann - songwriter, "On Broadway"
Jean Marsh - British actress, "Upstairs, Downstairs"
Monte Landis - Scots-born actor, "The Monkees"
(*) Mark Miller - actor "Please Don't Eat the Daisies"
Corinne Orr - cartoon voice actor, "Speed Racer"
Bill Owen - radio announcer, ABC; old time radio historian, "The Big Broadcast"
Robert Rafelson - producer, "Easy Rider"
Peter Schickele - classical music satirist "P.D.Q. Bach"
Jay Siegel - vocalist, "The Tokens" (the wee-dee-dee-dee guy on "The Lion Sleeps Tonight")
Tom Skerritt - actor, "Alien"
Johnny Tillotson - singer, "Poetry in Motion"
Ian Tyson - folksinger, "Ian and Sylvia"
Lee Weiner- anti-war activist, "Chicago Seven"
Mary Louise Wilson ­ actress, "One Day at a Time"
(*) H. M. Wynant - actor, "The Twilight Zone"

P.S. >> David Pynchon - novelist, "Gravity's Rainbow"
It's Thomas, not David.
That Derek
2019-12-02 17:32:36 UTC
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(*) Pat Carroll - actress, "Too Close for Comfort," "The Little Mermaid"
Michael OConnor
2019-12-02 18:12:17 UTC
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Harry Reid, former US Senator from Nevada turned 80 years old today.

Iron Mike Ditka also turned 80 this year; ironically, he was born on the same date (10/18/39) as one Lee Harvey Oswald. On 11/24/63, the day Oswald was shot dead in Dallas, Ditka, a tight end for the Chicago Bears, had one of the finest games of his Hall of Fame career in a game against the Steelers.
Michael OConnor
2019-12-02 18:54:37 UTC
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Real-life husband and wife William Daniels and Bonnie Bartlett played Dr. and Mrs. Craig on "St. Elsewhere" and both won Emmy awards for their roles on that classic series. Both are still alive and in their 90's.

Melinda Dillon, best known for playing the mom in "A Christmas Story" and one of my favorite actresses, turned 80 this year.
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2019-12-02 20:19:02 UTC
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More! More! More!

[I truly hope Mr. Carson is incorporating the emendations into his master list]

Charlie Brill - comedian, "Charlie Brill and Mitzi McCall"
Anjanette Comer - 1960s TV ingénue/character actress
Dalai Lama, the 14th (ne Tenzin Gyatso) - Tibetan-born Buddhist figurehead
Larry Gelbert - comedic actor, "The Odd Couple" (TV)
Charlie Gracie - 1950s balladeer, "Butterfly"
Billie Hayes - comedic actress, "H.R. Pufnstuf"
Sharpe James - disgraced former mayor of Newark NJ
Harvey Keitel - actor, "Smoke"
Nancy Kovack - actress, "The Outlaws Is Coming!"
Richard Lamparski - pop-culture historian, "Whatever Becam Of ...?" book series
Louise Lasser - actress, "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman"
Roddy Maude-Roxby - British comedic actor, "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In"
(*) Joan Howard Maurer - daughter/biographer of father Moe Howard, "The Three Stooges"
Mitzi McCall - comedienne, "Charlie Brill and Mitzi McCall"
Sister Janet Mead - Australian nun/recording artist, "The Lord's Prayer"
Joan Plowright, Baroness Olivier - British actress, "Dennis the Menace" (film)
Letty Cottin Pogrebin - feminist/author
Sister Helen Prejean - anti-death penalty activist; film subject, "Dead Man Walking"
David Rothenberg - theatrical producer; prison reform activist; NYC radio host, "WBAI-FM"
Jerry Samuels - novelty singer "Napoleon XIV," "They're Coming to Take Me Away, Ha-Haa!" -- BY POPULAR DEMAND!!
Paul Sand - comedic actor, "Can't Stop the Music!"
Barbara Sharma - comedic actress/dancer, "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In"
(*) Liz Sheridan - actress, "Seinfeld"
(*) April Stevens - singer in sibling act "Nino Tempo and April Stevens," "Deep Purple"
Nino Tempo - singer in sibling act "Nino Tempo and April Stevens," "Deep Purple"
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2019-12-02 21:41:05 UTC
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More! More! More!
[I truly hope Mr. Carson is incorporating the emendations into his master list]
If that's what you want, give me your top ten *must add* suggestions -
off the top of your head, not scraped from some external source - and
we'll go from there. Just adding lots and lots and lots of names to
make the list longer doesn't interest me.

To give you a hint, the suggestions that have come in so far that I've
already decided to add are Charles Grodin, Harvey Keitel, and Paul
Sorvino. These are people who, to borrow a phrase from another poster,
I could kick myself for not already having. My list was as of 30
November, so Dianne Lennon and Harry Reid are automatically going on
next year's list (assuming they survive). Three who I am on the fence
about are Elinor Donahue, Nancy Dussault, and Gloria Henry. Some
examples of a hard no would be Moe Howard's daughter and the model for
Tinkerbell.
Michael OConnor
2019-12-02 23:37:39 UTC
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[I truly hope Mr. Carson is incorporating the emendations into his master list]
There's going to be like 800 people on this list by the time we're thru.

Hector Elizondo - actor, "Chicago Hope"
Wavy Gravy - Woodstock PA announcer
Phil Knight - co-founder and former CEO of Nike
Shirley Knight - actress, "Sweet Bird of Youth"
David McCallum - actor, "NCIS", "The Man from U.N.C.L.E."
Michael Murphy - actor, "Nashville"
Story Musgrave - astronaut, only person to fly on all five Space Shuttles
George Segal - actor, "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?"
Dean Stockwell - actor, "Quantum Leap"
M Emmett Walsh - actor, "Blood Simple"
Maxine Waters - current U.S. Congresswoman
Jack Welch - Former CEO of GE
Fred "The Hammer" Williamson - pro football player, 1970's blaxploitation star
Anthony Zerbe - actor, "The Omega Man"
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2019-12-03 04:40:08 UTC
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[Largely glommed and adapted from Lenona's "Oldest Living Film People" and "Oldest Living Writers" threads]:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.obituaries/oldest$20film$20people%7Csort:date/alt.obituaries/BsSQWieSseE/ZuVV00uVCAAJ

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.obituaries/oldest$20living$20writers%7Csort:date/alt.obituaries/2CXkJWPIRbU/kgu27UHhCAAJ

(*) Roger Angell - sports-themed author, "The Boys of Summer"
(*) Kenneth Anger - Bitish author, "Hollywood Babylon"
Bruce Babbitt - Governor of Arizona; 1988 presidential candidate
(*) Cal Banas - Canadian voice-over actor, "Rudolph, te Red-Nosed Reindeer," 1960s "Spider-Man"
*) Val Bisoglio - character actor, "The Hindenburg"
(*) Ann Blyth - actress, "Mildred Pierce"
(*) Robert Brown - actor, "Here Come the Brides"
(*) Carleton Carpenter - actor, "Summer Stock"
(!) Marge Champion - dancer/actress, "The Marge and Gower Champion Show"
(*) Phyllis Coates - actress, "The Adventures of Superman"
(*) Forrest Compton - actor, "Gomer Pyle - USMC")
(*) Michael Constantine - actor, "Room 222"
(*) Bernard Cribbins- British comedic actor
(*) Arlene Dahl - actress, "Journey to the Center of the Earth"
(*) Gene Deitch - animation director, "Tom & Jerry"
(*) Dena Dietrich - actress, "Angie"; TV pitchwoman, Chiffon margarine's "Mother Nature"
(*) John Ericson - German-born actor, "Honey West"
Louis Farrakhan - religious leader
Joel Grey - musical actor, "Cabaret"
(*) Clu Gulager - actor, "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood"; crossword puzzle perennial
(*) Sheldon Harnick - Broadway composer, "Fiddler on the Roof"
(*) Rosemary Harris - actress, "Spider-Man" Toby Maguire trilogy
(*) Patricia Hitchcock - British actress, "Strangers on a Train"
(*) Earl Holliman - actor, "Police Woman"
(!) A.E. Hotchner - biographer of Ernest Hemingway
(*) Norman Jewison - Canadian-born director, "Fiddler on the Roof"
(*) L.Q. Jones - actor, "The Wild Bunch"
(*) Norton Juster - childen's author, "The Phantom Tollbooth"
Dianne Ladd - actress, "Alice"
Mal Z. Lawrence - comedian, "Catskills on Broadway"
(*) Jimmy Lydon - juvenile actor, "Henry Aldrich" series
(*) George Maharis - actor, "Route 66"
(*) Terry Moore - actress, "Mighty Joe Young"
(*) Ennio Morricone - Italian film composer, "Once Upon a Time in the West"
(*) Sidney Offit - children's author; liberal debater in "Conservative/Liberal" debate segment on NYC's "The Ten O'Clock News"
(*) Nancy Olson - actress, "The Bad Seed"
(*) Janis Paige - actress, "Silk Stockings"
(*) Irene Pappas - Greek actress, "The Guns of Navarone"
(*) Estelle Parsons - actress, "Bonnie and Clyde"
(*) Virginia Patton - actress, "It's a Wonderul Life" (possibly the last surviving adult cast member)
(!) Nehemiah Persoff - Israeli-born actor, "Some Like It Hot"
(*) Marge Redmond - actress, "The Flying Nun"
Freddie Roman - comedian, "Catskills on Broadway"; one-time "Abbott" of "The Friars' Club"
(*) Patricia Routledge -British actress, "Keeping Up Appearances"
Mitchell Ryan - actor, "Dark Shadows"
(*) Murray Schisgal - Broadway dramatist, "Luv"; screenwriter, "Tootsie"
(!) Alfie Scopp - Anglo-Canadian voice actor, "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer"
Pippa Scott - actress, "Cold Turkey"
(*) Roger M. Sherman - Disney songwriter, "Mary Poppins"
Valentina Tereshkova - cosmonaut; first woman in space
(*) Max Von Sydow- Swedish actor, "The Greatest Story Ever Told"
(*) Lina Wertmuller - Italian director, "Swept Away"
(*) Stuart Whitman - actor, "Cimmaron Strip"
(*) Jane Withers - actress, "Giant": TV pitchwoman, "Josephine, the Plumber"
(*) Woody Woodbury - comedian, talk show host, "The Woody Woodbury Show"
Michael OConnor
2019-12-03 05:01:55 UTC
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One more I forgot to list, since I saw him in a movie over the weekend and was surprised to find out he was still alive and 89 years old:

James Olson - actor, "The Andromeda Strain" and "Ragtime"
Kenny McCormack
2019-12-03 09:35:37 UTC
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One more I forgot to list, since I saw him in a movie over the weekend and was
James Olson - actor, "The Andromeda Strain" and "Ragtime"
Welcome to another episode of "I can be more obscure than you".
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When I was growing up we called them "retards", but that's not PC anymore.
Now, we just call them "Trump Voters".

The question is, of course, how much longer it will be until that term is also un-PC.
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2019-12-03 14:23:00 UTC
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James Olson - actor, "The Andromeda Strain" and "Ragtime"
Welcome to another episode of "I can be more obscure than you".
Olson may be largely forgotten now, but there was a time when he was
one of those That Guys. You know, the character actors that reliably
turned up as guests on every TV show and bit parts in movies. I knew
exactly who he is just from the name and have no problem recalling his
face.
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2019-12-03 15:36:09 UTC
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James Olson - actor, "The Andromeda Strain" and "Ragtime"
Welcome to another episode of "I can be more obscure than you".
Olson may be largely forgotten now, but there was a time when he was
one of those That Guys. You know, the character actors that reliably
turned up as guests on every TV show and bit parts in movies. I knew
exactly who he is just from the name and have no problem recalling his
face.
Eyup. Starred in my favorite "no one ever heard of this" movie,
"Paper Man" [a]. Also starring Tina Chen, who had that memorable
line in "Six Days of the Condor", where... Max Van Sydow is holding
a gun aimed at her (after he and crew have killed off everyone else
at the "American Literary Historical Society".

Von Sydow: Please step away from the window
Ms. Chen: I won't scream
Von Sydow: Yes, I know.

[a] also some third raters such as Stefanie Powers
and Dean Stockwell...
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067551/
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2019-12-03 16:43:10 UTC
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Olson may be largely forgotten now, but there was a time when he was
one of those That Guys. You know, the character actors that reliably
turned up as guests on every TV show and bit parts in movies. I knew
exactly who he is just from the name and have no problem recalling his
face.
Olson was another one of those actors from the 70's who guest-starred on just about every cop/detective show, and often, made multiple appearances playing different characters. There were a bunch of these actors, Leslie Nielsen, John Vernon, Claude Akins, Jack Cassidy and Darren McGavin were the beset known, but "Mannix" and "Cannon" and "Hawaii Five-0" and "The Streets of San Francisco" and the NBC Mystery Movies and others all needed a special guest star each and every week. These guys would migrate from show to show, and occasionally they would wind up with their own short-lived series, like McGavin and "The Night Stalker", but they would wind up back in the rotation. Just about all of those guys are gone now; I think James Olson and Anthony Zerbe are about the only two of the species remaining.
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2019-12-03 17:56:04 UTC
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Post by Terry del Fuego
Olson may be largely forgotten now, but there was a time when he was
one of those That Guys. You know, the character actors that reliably
turned up as guests on every TV show and bit parts in movies. I knew
exactly who he is just from the name and have no problem recalling his
face.
Olson was another one of those actors from the 70's who guest-starred on just about every cop/detective show, and often, made multiple appearances playing different characters. There were a bunch of these actors, Leslie Nielsen, John Vernon, Claude Akins, Jack Cassidy and Darren McGavin were the beset known, but "Mannix" and "Cannon" and "Hawaii Five-0" and "The Streets of San Francisco" and the NBC Mystery Movies and others all needed a special guest star each and every week. These guys would migrate from show to show, and occasionally they would wind up with their own short-lived series, like McGavin and "The Night Stalker", but they would wind up back in the rotation. Just about all of those guys are gone now; I think James Olson and Anthony Zerbe are about the only two of the species remaining.
Something happen to John Saxon and Monte Markham that I didn't hear
about?...r
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2019-12-03 18:17:06 UTC
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Post by Michael OConnor
These guys would migrate from show to show, and occasionally
they would wind up with their own short-lived series, like
McGavin and "The Night Stalker", but they would wind up back
in the rotation.
Hey, don't you go down grading "The Night Stalker" like that.
The two initial tv movies (ok, one had a different name) and
then the series, were a tv foundation of that age.
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2019-12-03 18:52:31 UTC
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Post by Michael OConnor
These guys would migrate from show to show, and occasionally
they would wind up with their own short-lived series, like
McGavin and "The Night Stalker", but they would wind up back
in the rotation.
Hey, don't you go down grading "The Night Stalker" like that.
The two initial tv movies (ok, one had a different name) and
then the series, were a tv foundation of that age.
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2019-12-03 19:12:14 UTC
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Faulty snip...I didn't say what you attributed to me; Michael OConnor
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dull scissors. Or dull mind. I've got one. Or the other.
Or maybe both...
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2019-12-03 19:35:12 UTC
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These guys would migrate from show to show, and occasionally
they would wind up with their own short-lived series, like
McGavin and "The Night Stalker", but they would wind up back
in the rotation.
Hey, don't you go down grading "The Night Stalker" like that.
The two initial tv movies (ok, one had a different name) and
then the series, were a tv foundation of that age.
I enjoyed the "Night Stalker" series and movies, and it was clearly an influence on the "X Files", but the show lasted less than one season because Darren McGavin walked away from it due to the quality of the scripts. He knew going in that it was going to be a "Monster of the week" type of series and for that reason the writers were going to quickly run out of ideas. Also, it was an 8PM network series in 1974, and at the time the show was deemed violent and unsuitable for children because of the subject matter, so it wasn't like they were going to venture out into doing episodes that were too taboo like the "X Files" often did with mutant cannibals.

The "X Files", to their credit, had a lot more creative writers than the "Night Stalker" series, and the rules on what was acceptable on network TV was a lot looser in the 90's than the 70's, and a good deal of the "X Files" episodes dealt with alien conspiracy, but mixed into that were the "Monster of the week" episodes which covered everything under the sun and then some.

I'm not knocking the "Night Stalker" series, but it was a flawed concept in that there just wasn't very far for them to go with their "Monster of the week" premise in the 1970's without it quickly becoming cheesy. Darren McGavin realized it and ended the show when it reached that point.
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2019-12-03 19:39:02 UTC
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Something happen to John Saxon and Monte Markham that I didn't hear
about?...r
I guess they are still around, my bad.
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2019-12-03 09:34:46 UTC
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[Largely glommed and adapted from Lenona's "Oldest Living Film People" and
Isn't this just turning into a game of "I can be more obscure than you" ?

I haven't heard of any of these people.

Why don't we just comb look up Joe Snodbury of Nowhere, MS who happened
to be born more than 80 years ago?
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(*) Roger Angell - sports-themed author, "The Boys of Summer"
"The Boys of Summer" is by Roger Kahn, who is still stalkimg this planet at
92. Roger Angell published "The Summer Game" at about the same time that
"Boys" was issued--the confusion between the two Rogers and their books now
goes back close to 50 years.
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2019-12-03 16:16:35 UTC
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[I truly hope Mr. Carson is incorporating the emendations into his master list]
If that's what you want, give me your top ten *must add* suggestions -
off the top of your head, not scraped from some external source - and
we'll go from there. Just adding lots and lots and lots of names to
make the list longer doesn't interest me.
[long list of names scraped from another list snipped]


Derek, I'm still interested in my earlier offer and wish you would
consider it.
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2019-12-03 05:33:05 UTC
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James Olson
Cool! Let's hook him up with the aforementioned Phyllis Coates -- even though Superman's Jimmy Olsen is spelled with a final "-E-N," and not an "-O-N."
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2019-12-03 13:59:42 UTC
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"The Boys of Summer" is by Roger Kahn, who is still stalkimg this planet at
92. Roger Angell published "The Summer Game" at about the same time that
"Boys" was issued

Roger.

Thanks for the clarification. You're an Angell.
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When I was growing up we called them "retards", but that's not PC anymore.
Now, we just call them "Trump Voters".

Speaking as someone who grew up with an older Down syndrome brother, I can assure you that the word "retard," when used as a noun with the stress shifted to the second syllable, was NEVER acceptable. Yes, the word "retarded" was the in-use currency during those years; however, the noun form of the "R-word" was never utilized in my family.

You keep employing that "Trump voters" bon mot. One time makes the point. Repeating this "R-word" in your sign-off perpetuates the word's inherent cruelty. Please cease and desist.

Other kids called me "retard" on account of my brother -- essentially, I was being labeled by association. Some parents would not permit their kids to play at my house reasoning that Down syndome was "catching."

When comparing this term to other deroatory racial and sexual identification slurs, calling a developmentally disabled person the "R-word" finds itself in an extremely awkward sitation. Were I to call an African-American, a Latino, or a gay person a vulgar appelation, the other person can adequately defend him/her-self -- either by reasoning with me on why I should not use such terminoloiges, or, by resorting to violence.

Conversely, if I call someone "retard," that person, more than likely, will not possess the mental -capacity to counter my insult. Spare 31 seconds of your life to watch the following YouTube link. It's a PSA regarding the "R-word," which I sincerely hope will help accentuate my point.



As for equating Trump Voters to intellectually hampered individuals, that's a whole other story.
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2019-12-03 16:30:46 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
When I was growing up we called them "retards", but that's not PC anymore.
Now, we just call them "Trump Voters".
Speaking as someone who grew up with an older Down syndrome brother, I can assure you that the word "retard," when used as a noun with the stress shifted to the second syllable, was NEVER acceptable. Yes, the word "retarded" was the in-use currency during those years; however, the noun form of the "R-word" was never utilized in my family.
You keep employing that "Trump voters" bon mot. One time makes the point. Repeating this "R-word" in your sign-off perpetuates the word's inherent cruelty. Please cease and desist.
Other kids called me "retard" on account of my brother -- essentially, I was being labeled by association. Some parents would not permit their kids to play at my house reasoning that Down syndome was "catching."
When comparing this term to other deroatory racial and sexual identification slurs, calling a developmentally disabled person the "R-word" finds itself in an extremely awkward sitation. Were I to call an African-American, a Latino, or a gay person a vulgar appelation, the other person can adequately defend him/her-self -- either by reasoning with me on why I should not use such terminoloiges, or, by resorting to violence.
Conversely, if I call someone "retard," that person, more than likely, will not possess the mental -capacity to counter my insult. Spare 31 seconds of your life to watch the following YouTube link. It's a PSA regarding the "R-word," which I sincerely hope will help accentuate my point.
http://youtu.be/T549VoLca_Q
As for equating Trump Voters to intellectually hampered individuals, that's a whole other story.
I had a good friend growing up whose sister was intellectually disabled, which was very likely due to Thalidolmide use on the mother's part, and I remember how it hurt him to have to hear his sister called that word on a daily basis. And I think it especially hurt him because she didn't understand what the word meant, and he knew that, and the kids who used that word against her knew that too. The kids weren't really taunting her, they were taunting him.

In regard to the last point, there are some people who just can't stand for any topic in any forum not to be polluted with their inane political commentary. This is alt.obituaries, not alt.trump; take it someplace else. And because I know I'll be labelled a sycophant or something worse, I didn't even vote in the 2016 election.

I know David never expected the size of his list would double after he posted it.
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2019-12-03 16:37:47 UTC
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Derek, I'm still interested in my earlier offer and wish you would
consider it.

Please refresh my memory. What was your original offer?
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2019-12-03 19:47:59 UTC
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Post by David Carson
Derek, I'm still interested in my earlier offer and wish you would
consider it.
Please refresh my memory. What was your original offer?
It was in the post you just replied to, a few lines above the part you
quoted.
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2019-12-04 15:46:27 UTC
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(*) Russell M. Nelson,heart surgeon turned President of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints
Dallin H. Oaks,university president turned state supreme court justice now next
in line to be President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Born September 9th 1924 and August 12th 1932 respectively,both switched to
fulltime church leadership in 1984.
For much of the 1970s Nelson headed the church's General Sunday School
while Oaks led Brigham Young University...Nelson got some wide note for
leading Barney Clark's artificial heart transplant.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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John Amos - actor, "Good Times" -- joins the list on 12/17/2019
Jaye J. Armes - amputee private investigator
Joyce Bulifant - actress, "The Bill Cosby Show"
Mike Callan - actor, "Occasional Wife"
Mel Carter - singer, "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me"
Abby Dalton - actress, "The Joey Bishop Show"
Alphinse D'Amato - former US Senator (R-NY)
(*) Helen Gallagher - Broadway stage actress
Jasper Johns - painter
Abbe Lane - actress, "Hollywood Squares"
Piper Laurie - actress, "The Days of Wine and Roses"
Rick Lenz - actor, "Green Acres"
Barry McGuire - singer, "Eve of Destruction:
Greg Mullavey - actor, "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman"
Dick Whittington - LA disc jockey; comic performer, "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In"
Yoshio Yoda - Japanese-born actor, "McHale's Navy"
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2019-12-07 04:44:34 UTC
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ONE-HUNDRED MORE NAMES !! <<<
Jerry Allison - musician, "Buddy Holly and the Crickets"
Richard Alpert/Baba Ram Dass - countercultural spiritual leader
Hubert "Geese" Ausbie - baskettball player, The Harlem Globetrotters
Carroll Baker - actress, "Baby Doll"
Betty Beaird - sitcom actress, "Julia"
Kathryn Beaumont - British actress, "Alice in Wonderland" (1951 Lou Bunin version)
Alan Bennett - British comic actor, "Beyond the Fringe": dramatist/screenwriter, "The Madness of George III"
Joan Benny - memoirist/biorapher of father Jack Benny, "Sunday Nights at Seven"
Richard Beymer - actor, "West Side Story"
Conrad Binyon - juvenile actor, "The Courage of Lassie"
David Birney - actor, "Bridget Loves Bernie"
Noel Blanc - cartoon voice-over artist
Claire Bloom - British-born actress, "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold"
Brian Blessed - British actor, "The Black Adder"
Eleanor Bron - British comedic actress, "Bedazzled'
Zoe Caldwell - Australian-born actress, "The Purple Rose of Cairo"
Frank Converse - actor, "Movin' On"
Gary Conway - actor, "Land of the Giants"
Tommy Cook - radio actor, "Red Ryder'
Carol Coombs - Canadian-born piano-playing child actress, "It's a Wonderfl Life"
(*) Paul Coker - illustrator, MAD; animation designer, Rankin-Bass holiday TV specials
Tom Courtenay - British actor, "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner "
Wendy Craig - British actress, "Butterflies"
Jim Dale - British songwriter, "Georgy Girl"; actor, "Barnum"; audio-book narrator, "Harry Potter" series
Billy Davis Jr. - vocalist, "The Fifth Dimension"
Spencer Davis - Welsh musician, "The Spencer Davis Group"
(*) Len Deighton - British espionage novelist
Joan Didion - author/social critic, 'The Year of Maical Thinking"
Dion DMucci - lead vocalist, "Dion and the Belmonts"
Alan Dinehart - juvenile actor, "Superman" serial, as "Young Clark Kent"
Ted Donalson - juvenile actor, "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn"
(*) Rex Downing - 1930s juvenile actor, "Our Gang"
Shirley Eaton - British actress, "Goldfinger"
Dr. Frank Field - NYC TV meteorologist; father of meteorologist Storm Field
Edward Fox - British actor, "Edward and Mrs. Simpson"
James Fox - British actor, " Thoroughly Modern Millie"
Athol Fugard - South African dramatist/anti-Apartheid activist, "Master Harold ... and the Boys"
Bamber Gascoigne - British TV personality/game show host
Julian Glover - British actor, "Nicholas and Alexandra"
Jean-Luc Godard - French New Wave film director, "Breathless"
(*) Helen Grayco - singer married to Spike Jones, "Spike Jones and His City Slickers"
John Guare - dramatist, " Six Degrees of Separation"
Susan Hampshire - British actress, "The Forsyte Saga"
(Sister) Delores Hart - actress, "King Creole," turned nun
Tippi Hedren - actress, 'The Birds"
Anne Heywood - British actress, "The Fox"
Richard Herd - actor "V" (TV series)
Darryl Hickman - juvenile actor, "The Grapes of Wrath"
Dwayne Hickman - actor, "The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis"
(*) James Hong - Sino-American actor, "Flower Drum Song"
(!) A. E. Hotchner - biographer (Ernest Hemingway; Doris Day)
Sally Ann Howes - British actress, "Chitty Chitty, Bang Bang"
Garth Hudson - Canadian musician, "The Band"
Waris Hussein - Anglo-Indian director, "Edward and Mrs. Simpson," "Dr. Who" pilot
Rudolph Isley - vocalist, "The Isley Brothers"
Tommy Ivo - child actor, "I Remember Mama"; motor sports racer
Glenda Jackson - British actress, "A Touch Class"; former Parliamentarian
Sir Derek Jacobi - British actor, "I, Claudius"
Joni James - vocalist, "Why Don't You Believe Me?"
Claude Jarman Jr. - juvenile actor, "The Yearling"
(*) Sidney "The Woim" Kibrick - 1930s child actor, "Our Gang"
(*) Mildred Kornman - 1920s child actor, "Our Gang"
(*) Cleo Laine - British singer
(*) Elaine LaLanne - exercise instructor; widow of Jack LaLanne
John le Carré - British espionage novelist, "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold"
(*) Betty Lynn - actress, "The Andy Griffith Show"
Patty Maloney - midget/costumed actress, "Far Out Space Nuts"
Millicent Martin - British actress, "From a Bird's Eye View"
John Mayall - British blues musician
Theodore (Cardinal) McCarrick - defrocked Archbishop of Washington DC
Phyllis McGuire - vocalist, "The McGuire Sisters"
Lamonte McLemore - vocalist, "The Fifth Dimension"
Terrence McNally - Broadway dramatist, "Love! Valour! Compassion!"
Tom Monaghan - founder, Domino's Pizza
Bruce Montagne - British actor, "Butterflies"
Sam Moore - soul singer, "Sam and Dave"
Margaret O'Brien- child actress, "Meet Me in St. Louis"
Debra Paget - actress, "The Ten Commandments"
(*) Geoffrey Palmer - British actor, "Butterflies"
Marisa Pavan - Italian-born actress, "The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit
Siân Phillips - Welsh actress, "I, Claudius"
Christina Pickles - British- born actress, "St. Elsewhwere"
Lloyd Price - singer, "Stagger Lee"
(*) Gene Reynolds - director/producer, "M*A*S*H"
Anthony/Tony Roberts - actor, Woody Allen stock company
Prunella Scales - British actress, "Fawlty Towers"
Jonathan Schwartz - NYC radio personality
Terance Stamp - British actor, "Superman II"
Mavis Staples - singer, "The Staples Singers" ("I'll Take You There")
Una Stubbs - British actress, "'Til Death Us So Part"
Nita Talbot - actress, "Hogan's Heroes"
Russ Tamblyn - actor, "tom thumb"
Ann Todd - actress, "The Jolson Stiry"
Chaim Topol - Israeli actor, "Fiddler on the Roof"
Angelo Torres - illustrator, MAD;
Calvin Trillin - journalist/author/memoirist
Rexella Van Impe - televangelist
Adam Wade - singer, "Ruby"; first African-American US TV game show host, "Musical Chairs"
Shani Wallis - British actress, "Oliver!"
Dean Webb - musician, "The Dillards"
(*) Peggy Webber - eadio/TV actress, "Dragnet"
William Wellman Jr. - B-movie actor, "The Born Losers'
Paxton Whitehead - British actor, "Beyond the Fringe '65"

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