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Alfalfa Bill
2020-01-26 19:52:16 UTC
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Kobe Bryant killed along with four others in Calabasas helicopter crash

Kobe Bryant was reportedly killed in a helicopter crash in Calabasas, California, on Sunday morning.

The 41-year-old basketball star's death was confirmed by TMZ.

The outlet reported that Bryant was traveling with four other people in his private helicopter when it crashed, killing everyone on board.

The cause of the crash is under investigation.

Bryant is survived by his wife Vanessa and their four daughters - Gianna, Natalia and Bianca and newborn Capri.
Louis Epstein
2020-01-26 20:12:14 UTC
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7931909/Kobe-Bryant-dies-Calabasas-helicopter-crash.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small
Kobe Bryant killed along with four others in Calabasas helicopter crash
Kobe Bryant was reportedly killed in a helicopter crash in Calabasas, California, on Sunday morning.
The 41-year-old basketball star's death was confirmed by TMZ.
The outlet reported that Bryant was traveling with four other people in his private helicopter when it crashed, killing everyone on board.
The cause of the crash is under investigation.
Bryant is survived by his wife Vanessa and their four daughters - Gianna, Natalia and Bianca and newborn Capri.
Top story at Google News at the moment.
For some reason CNN's story is headlined simply that five people have died
in the crash,without confirming Bryant was among them,which is a separate
breaking news alert.

See also
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-killed-helicopter-crash-calabasas/
for an unrelated video under a Bryant-dies headline and a terse test story
attributing reports of Bryant's death to TMZ
https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-killed-dead-helicopter-crash-calabasas/
(I assume he'd become a zombie that would end
kobe-bryant-killed-undead-helicopter-crash-calabasas)
and Variety.
https://variety.com/2020/biz/news/kobe-bryant-dead-helicopter-crash-lakers-1203480844

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Rick B.
2020-01-26 20:17:13 UTC
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For some reason CNN's story is headlined simply that five people have died
in the crash,without confirming Bryant was among them,which is a separate
breaking news alert.
CBS Radio's 3 PM EST hourly newscast had the crash story with no names;
immediately after, WCBS ran a local bulletin naming Bryant.
Bermuda999
2020-01-26 20:52:35 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
For some reason CNN's story is headlined simply that five people have died
in the crash,without confirming Bryant was among them,which is a separate
breaking news alert.
CBS Radio's 3 PM EST hourly newscast had the crash story with no names;
immediately after, WCBS ran a local bulletin naming Bryant.
The AP gave prominence to the fire caused by the crash (before names were available)

Helicopter crash sparks brush fire in Southern California
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
JANUARY 26, 2020 01:37 PM
CALABASAS, CALIF.

Emergency crews responded after a helicopter crashed and sparked a small brush fire Sunday in Southern California, authorities said.

The crash occurred in Calabasas, said Art Marrujo, a dispatch supervisor with the Los Angeles County Fire Department.

He didn't know how many people were on board or if there were any injuries.
A Friend
2020-01-26 22:09:16 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
For some reason CNN's story is headlined simply that five people have died
in the crash,without confirming Bryant was among them,which is a separate
breaking news alert.
CBS Radio's 3 PM EST hourly newscast had the crash story with no names;
immediately after, WCBS ran a local bulletin naming Bryant.
My best guess is that everybody knew Bryant was aboard, but they hadn't
been able to confirm it at that point, which is why an otherwise
piddlin' helicopter crash was on the national news in the first place.
d***@gmail.com
2020-01-27 19:32:30 UTC
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My best guess is that everybody knew Bryant was aboard, but they hadn't been able to confirm it at that point, which is why an otherwise piddlin' helicopter crash was on the national news in the first place.

LOL. You’re right. But, the Sheriff wanted personal notification to the 8 victims before hearing in on the news.

I sympathize but Kobe is a public person. It goes w the hundreds of millions and freedom of the press.

GO HARVEY GO! We 💕 TMZ.
d***@gmail.com
2020-01-27 20:52:27 UTC
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Put a fork in the so called “pilot”. It looks like he made EVERY MISTAKE HE COULD.

* The helicopter carrying Bryant and his daughter, Gianna, left Santa Ana in Orange County shortly after 9am

* Conditions were not suitable for flying, according to Los Angeles police who grounded their own choppers 

* Pilot was flying under visual flight rules (VFR), meaning he was relying on his ability to see terrain below him

* Around 9.20am, the helicopter circled for about 15 minutes east of Interstate-5, near Glendale, data shows 

* Air traffic controllers held up the chopper for other aircraft for 11 minutes, before clearing it through Burbank

* The pilot, who was named as Ara Zobayan, could've contacted ATC and requested to switch to instrument flight rules (IFR), which would have allowed him to navigate through the clouds

* But when pilots fly under IFR, it can be time-consuming, especially in Southern California's busy airspace

* Aircraft continued under VFR and around 9.40am it turned west to follow US Route 101, the Ventura Highway 

* Around 9.44am, the helicopter turned toward the southeast and climbed to more than 2,000 feet, in what appeared to be an attempt to put some space between helicopter and terrain

* It then descended and crashed into the hillside at about 1,400 feet, according to data from Flightradar24 

* Bryant 41, and his 13-year-old daughter, Gianna, were both killed in crash along with John Altobelli, 56, his wife, Keri, and daughter, Alyssa, who played on the same basketball team as Bryant's daughter 

* Costa Mesa Mayor Katrina Foley tweeted that Christina Mauser, a girls basketball coach, also died in crash 

* The NBA legend's helicopter was only 17 miles from the Mamba Sports Academy when the crash occurred

* It's unclear where pilot was going to land in Thousand Oaks, but the nearest helipad to the 100,000-square-foot facility is at Amgen headquarters which is a little over six miles away from Mamba Sports Academy 

Kobe Bryant's helicopter pilot was given a special clearance to fly under foggy conditions considered dangerous enough that local police agencies grounded their choppers. 

Audio captured by LiveATC.net reveals that the pilot, who has been named as Ara Zobayan, requested to fly under special visual flight rules (SVFR).
'Maintain special VFR at or below 2,500,' the pilot is heard confirming to the controller.

The conversation between the pilot and the Burbank Airport control tower shed some light on why the aircraft, which was carrying Bryant, his daughter Gianna, 13, and six others, was granted clearance in the first place. 

Under an SVFR clearance, pilots are allowed to fly in weather conditions worse than those allowed for visual flight rules (VFR). Special VFR clearances are only issued when cloud ceilings are below 1,000 feet above ground level. Flying that low to the ground can be very disorienting and risky, and it's possible that the pilot became disoriented due to the visibility conditions when the helicopter appeared to veer off its path above US Route 101. 

Bryant's helicopter left Santa Ana in Orange County, south of Los Angeles, shortly after 9am on Sunday, a time when conditions were not suitable for flying, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.
There was an overcast at 1,300 feet and visibility of about five miles. The pilot was initially flying under VFR, meaning that he was relying on his ability to see the terrain below him. That changed when he was granted the SVFR.  

Around 9.20am, the helicopter circled for about 15 minutes just east of Interstate 5, near Glendale. Air traffic controllers held up the helicopter for other aircraft for about 11 minutes, before clearing the Sikorsky S-76 to proceed north along Interstate 5 through Burbank's airspace. 
Air traffic controllers noted poor visibility around Burbank, just to the north, and Van Nuys, to the northwest. Due to the poor visibility, the pilot could have contacted air traffic controllers and requested to switch to instrument flight rules (IFR), which would have allowed him to navigate through the clouds. 

However, when pilots fly under IFR, it can take up a lot of time, especially in Southern California, which has an extremely busy airspace. Pilots flying under IFR will have to begin 20 miles or more away from the runway and are required to use special instructions in the form of diagrams called approach plates in order to land.

Kobe Bryant's helicopter pilot was given clearance to fly under foggy conditions considered dangerous enough that local police agencies grounded their choppers

Paul Cline, an assistant professor of aviation at the City University of New York, told New York Magazine that flying under IFR could mean you could be in a holding pattern for 'an hour'. 
'You’re just one of many waiting in line, and it doesn’t matter if you’re Kobe Bryant,' Cline added. 'A ton of rules come into play, and people don’t always want to fly that way [under IFR]. It takes away their ability to do whatever they want to do,' Cline said. 'The trade-off is you get to live.'

The aircraft continued under VFR and around 9.40am it turned west to follow US Route 101, the Ventura Highway. At about 9.44am, the helicopter turned again, toward the southeast, and climbed to more than 2,000 feet, in what appeared to be an attempt to put some space between the helicopter and the high terrain. 

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IFR AND VFR FLYING
Under Visual Flight Rules (VFR) pilots must always be able to see things out of their windows, which includes the ground, other aircraft and obstacles. 

Pilots flying under VFR must fly on the outside of clouds and are prohibited from flying into clouds.

Flying under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) is extremely more challenging than VFR flying. Unlike VFR, pilots are allowed to fly into clouds where there is zero visibility. 

One of the most illustrative differences between the two set of flight rules is the landing procedures.

Under VFR, pilots will fly toward the runway at an angle before executing a rectangular pattern near the runway and heading down for the landing. 
Under IFR, pilots will have to begin 20 miles or more away from the runway and are required to use special instructions in the form of diagrams called approach plates. 

The approach plates tell pilots where an aircraft will need to change its direction, what altitude it should be flying at, all while having zero visibility.  
IFR pilots will usually only be able to see out of their windows toward the end of the instrument approach, which is when they will be able to see the runway.  

In air traffic control audio which was recorded shortly before the crash, the pilot of the former Lakers star's helicopter is told by a controller that 'you're still too low level' to be tracked by radar. 

This did not appear to be a sign of distress, because the helicopter was actually ascending at the time and the controller was referring to the technical difficulty with reading data rather than warning of an imminent crash.
Justin Green, an aviation attorney in New York who flew helicopters in the Marine Corps, said pilots can become disoriented in low visibility, losing track of which direction is up. 

Green said a pilot flying an S-76 would be instrument-rated, meaning that person could fly the helicopter without relying on visual cues from outside.

Helicopter pilot Phillipe Lesourd told The Sun after listening to the audio that other aircraft appeared to be having problems which was 'not a good sign'.

'When you ask for a special VFR [visual flight rules], which they did, only one aircraft is allowed in the airspace,' he said.

'You can hear the controller saying that it had an "ad go around," that means an aircraft already cancelled its landing because of low visibility.'

It then descended and crashed into the hillside at about 1,400 feet, according to data from Flightradar24.
When it struck the ground, the helicopter was flying at about 184mph and descending at a rate of more than 4,000 feet per minute, the data showed.
The chopper went down in Calabasas, about 30 miles northwest of downtown Los Angeles. Bryant's chopper was only 17 miles from the Mamba Sports Academy when the crash occurred. 
There was only one pilot on board, which an aviation source said it was unusual for the Sikorsky S-76 helicopter Kobe was in. 

It's unclear where the pilot was going to land in Thousand Oaks, but the nearest helipad to the 100,000-square-foot facility is at Amgen headquarters which is a little over six miles away from Mamba Sports Academy.  
Bryant's sports academy in Thousand Oaks was holding a basketball tournament on Sunday.

When the helicopter plunged into a steep hillside on Sunday, its impact scattered debris over an area the size of a football field and killed all aboard. 

Among those killed in the crash were John Altobelli, 56, longtime head coach of Southern California's Orange Coast College baseball team; his wife, Keri; and daughter, Alyssa, who played on the same basketball team as Bryant's daughter, said Altobelli's brother, Tony, who is the sports information director at the school. 

Another young player, Payton Chester, was also killed in the crash along with her mother Sarah Chester.

Costa Mesa Mayor Katrina Foley tweeted that the dead also included Christina Mauser, a girls basketball coach at a nearby private elementary school. 

Her husband, Matt Mauser, founded the Tijuana Dogs, a popular Orange County band. In a Facebook post he said: 'My kids and I are devastated. We lost our beautiful wife and mom today in a helicopter crash.'

The Los Angeles County medical examiner, Dr Jonathan Lucas, said the rugged terrain complicated efforts to recover the remains. He estimated it would take at least a couple of days to complete that task before identifications can be made. 


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7934407/Helicopter-crashed-killing-Kobe-8-circled-15-minutes-Burbank.html
d***@gmail.com
2020-01-27 21:36:08 UTC
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Flight recorder information below. Wow!


Put a fork in the so called “pilot”. It looks like he made EVERY MISTAKE HE COULD.
Comments in parentheses names parties defendant telling who and why I’d name them as parties.

* The helicopter carrying Bryant and his daughter, Gianna, left Santa Ana in Orange County shortly after 9am

* Conditions were not suitable for flying, according to Los Angeles police who grounded their own choppers (the inevitable cause in fact of the crash)

* Pilot was flying under visual flight rules (VFR), meaning he was relying on his ability to see terrain below him (stooopid)

* Around 9.20am, the helicopter circled for about 15 minutes east of Interstate-5, near Glendale, data shows 

* Air traffic controllers held up the chopper for other aircraft for 11 minutes, before clearing it through Burbank

* The pilot, who was named as Ara Zobayan, could've contacted ATC and requested to switch to instrument flight rules (IFR), which would have allowed him to navigate through the clouds (critical error)

* But when pilots fly under IFR, it can be time-consuming, especially in Southern California's busy airspace.

* Aircraft continued under VFR and around 9.40am it turned west to follow US Route 101, the Ventura Highway (it is too late now)

* Around 9.44am, the helicopter turned toward the southeast and climbed to more than 2,000 feet, in what appeared to be an attempt to put some space between helicopter and terrain

* It then descended and crashed into the hillside at about 1,400 feet, according to data from Flightradar24 

* Bryant 41, and his 13-year-old daughter, Gianna, were both killed in crash along with John Altobelli, 56, his wife, Keri, and daughter, Alyssa, who played on the same basketball team as Bryant's daughter 

* Costa Mesa Mayor Katrina Foley tweeted that Christina Mauser, a girls basketball coach, also died in crash 

* The NBA legend's helicopter was only 17 miles from the Mamba Sports Academy when the crash occurred

* It's unclear where pilot was going to land in Thousand Oaks, but the nearest helipad to the 100,000-square-foot facility is at Amgen headquarters which is a little over six miles away from Mamba Sports Academy 

Kobe Bryant's helicopter pilot (mistake 1) was given a special clearance to fly under foggy conditions considered dangerous enough that local police agencies grounded their choppers. 

Audio captured by LiveATC.net reveals that the pilot, who has been named as Ara Zobayan, requested to fly under special visual flight rules (SVFR) (sure, I can’t see but who cares?)
'Maintain special VFR at or below 2,500,' the pilot is heard confirming to the controller. (Whaaat? Oh, no.)

The conversation between the pilot and the Burbank Airport control tower shed some light on why the aircraft, which was carrying Bryant, his daughter Gianna, 13, and six others, was granted clearance in the first place. 

Under an SVFR clearance, pilots are allowed to fly in weather conditions worse than those allowed for visual flight rules (VFR)(change needed here). Special VFR clearances are only issued when cloud ceilings are below 1,000 feet above ground level. Flying that low to the ground can be very disorienting and risky, and it's possible that the pilot became disoriented due to the visibility conditions when the helicopter appeared to veer off its path above US Route 101 (yes, it’s JFK Jr all over again).

Bryant's helicopter left Santa Ana in Orange County, south of Los Angeles, shortly after 9am on Sunday, a time when conditions were not suitable for flying (mistake), according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

There was an overcast at 1,300 feet and visibility of about five miles. The pilot was initially flying under VFR, meaning that he was relying on his ability to see the terrain below him. That changed when he was granted the SVFR (controller error party defendant).  

Around 9.20am, the helicopter circled for about 15 minutes just east of Interstate 5, near Glendale. Air traffic controllers held up the helicopter for other aircraft for about 11 minutes, before clearing the Sikorsky S-76 to proceed north along Interstate 5 through Burbank's airspace (error, go West over Pacific Ocean). 

Air traffic controllers noted poor visibility around Burbank, just to the north, and Van Nuys, to the northwest. Due to the poor visibility, the pilot could have contacted air traffic controllers and requested to switch to instrument flight rules (IFR), which would have allowed him to navigate through the clouds (BIGGEST ERROR MISSED LAST CLEAR CHANCE TO AVOID DEADLY-CRASH).

However, when pilots fly under IFR, it can take up a lot of time, especially in Southern California, which has an extremely busy airspace. Pilots flying under IFR will have to begin 20 miles or more away from the runway and are required to use special instructions in the form of diagrams called approach plates in order to land (hey, Einstein. You missed your chance to save lives. Instead, you took them).

Kobe Bryant's helicopter pilot was given clearance to fly under foggy conditions considered dangerous enough that local police agencies grounded their choppers (more defendants here)

Paul Cline, an assistant professor of aviation at the City University of New York, told New York Magazine that flying under IFR could mean you could be in a holding pattern for 'an hour'. 
'You’re just one of many waiting in line, and it doesn’t matter if you’re Kobe Bryant,' Cline added. 'A ton of rules come into play, and people don’t always want to fly that way [under IFR]. It takes away their ability to do whatever they want to do,' Cline said. 'The trade-off is you get to live.' (Thank God for those who STAY IN SCHOOL).

The aircraft continued under VFR and around 9.40am it turned west to follow US Route 101, the Ventura Highway. At about 9.44am, the helicopter turned again, toward the southeast, and climbed to more than 2,000 feet, in what appeared to be an attempt to put some space between the helicopter and the high terrain (stage is fully set. One look at that “pilot”, I’d never have him in my employ. I know what he was.)

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IFR AND VFR FLYING

Under Visual Flight Rules (VFR) pilots must always be able to see things out of their windows, which includes the ground, other aircraft and obstacles. 

Pilots flying under VFR must fly on the outside of clouds and are prohibited from flying into clouds.

Flying under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) is extremely more challenging than VFR flying. Unlike VFR, pilots are allowed to fly into clouds where there is zero visibility. 

One of the most illustrative differences between the two set of flight rules is the landing procedures.

Under VFR, pilots will fly toward the runway at an angle before executing a rectangular pattern near the runway and heading down for the landing. 
Under IFR, pilots will have to begin 20 miles or more away from the runway and are required to use special instructions in the form of diagrams called approach plates. 

The approach plates tell pilots where an aircraft will need to change its direction, what altitude it should be flying at, all while having zero visibility.  
IFR pilots will usually only be able to see out of their windows toward the end of the instrument approach, which is when they will be able to see the runway.  

In air traffic control audio which was recorded shortly before the crash, the pilot of the former Lakers star's helicopter is told by a controller that 'you're still too low level' to be tracked by radar. 

This did not appear to be a sign of distress, because the helicopter was actually ascending at the time and the controller was referring to the technical difficulty with reading data rather than warning of an imminent crash (this is where the products liability comes in. Helicopter is defendant for this poor design).

Justin Green, an aviation attorney in New York who flew helicopters in the Marine Corps, said pilots can become disoriented in low visibility, losing track of which direction is up. 

Green said a pilot flying an S-76 would be instrument-rated, meaning that person could fly the helicopter without relying on visual cues from outside (duh)

Helicopter pilot Phillipe Lesourd told The Sun after listening to the audio that other aircraft appeared to be having problems which was 'not a good sign'.

'When you ask for a special VFR [visual flight rules], which they did, only one aircraft is allowed in the airspace,' he said.

'You can hear the controller saying that it had an "ad go around," that means an aircraft already cancelled its landing because of low visibility.'

It then descended and crashed into the hillside at about 1,400 feet, according to data from Flightradar24.
When it struck the ground, the helicopter was flying at about 184mph and descending at a rate of more than 4,000 feet per minute, the data showed.
The chopper went down in Calabasas, about 30 miles northwest of downtown Los Angeles. Bryant's chopper was only 17 miles from the Mamba Sports Academy when the crash occurred. 
There was only one pilot on board, which an aviation source said it was unusual for the Sikorsky S-76 helicopter Kobe was in (huge error). 

It's unclear where the pilot was going to land in Thousand Oaks, but the nearest helipad to the 100,000-square-foot facility is at Amgen headquarters which is a little over six miles away from Mamba Sports Academy.  
Bryant's sports academy in Thousand Oaks was holding a basketball tournament on Sunday.

When the helicopter plunged into a steep hillside on Sunday, its impact scattered debris over an area the size of a football field and killed all aboard. 

Among those killed in the crash were John Altobelli, 56, longtime head coach of Southern California's Orange Coast College baseball team; his wife, Keri; and daughter, Alyssa, who played on the same basketball team as Bryant's daughter, said Altobelli's brother, Tony, who is the sports information director at the school. 

Another young player, Payton Chester, was also killed in the crash along with her mother Sarah Chester.

Costa Mesa Mayor Katrina Foley tweeted that the dead also included Christina Mauser, a girls basketball coach at a nearby private elementary school. 

Her husband, Matt Mauser, founded the Tijuana Dogs, a popular Orange County band. In a Facebook post he said: 'My kids and I are devastated. We lost our beautiful wife and mom today in a helicopter crash.'

The Los Angeles County medical examiner, Dr Jonathan Lucas, said the rugged terrain complicated efforts to recover the remains. He estimated it would take at least a couple of days to complete that task before identifications can be made (just check w Harvey. He is happy to help).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7934407/Helicopter-crashed-killing-Kobe-8-circled-15-minutes-Burbank.html
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2020-01-27 21:56:36 UTC
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I fly Cessnas not helicopters. I am sick when I see the balls-out “pilot” traveling 184 mph when he could have taken it at 15 mph the advantages of a helicopter. And, a second pilot would have averted this mess. He misjudged the terrain. There was one mountain yet to clear, the one he hit. This guy is as bad as Michael Jackson’s Doctor. Both foreign.

Why was he flying solo? The pilot was an incompetent fraud.


KOBE BRYANT
HELICOPTER PILOT MISJUDGED TERRAIN
... Didn't Slow Down, Pilots Say

The pilot of the helicopter carrying Kobe Bryant, his daughter and 6 other passengers got in big trouble with fog -- they seemed to abort the trip and tried returning home, barely clearing one mountain range, but never slowed down ... this according to the flight tracker and several experienced helicopter pilots in the L.A. area.

As we reported, the pilot had to circle near the Downtown L.A. area -- near the L.A. Zoo -- for 15 minutes because of bad weather ahead. As we reported ... the LAPD had grounded its helicopter fleet because of fog at around the same time Kobe's helicopter took off.

The pilot was following a visual flight plan and was cleared by the tower to proceed north, toward Thousand Oaks where Kobe was taking his daughter for a basketball game. When he got to the Calabasas area, the fog became blinding.

As we reported, the pilot was way too low --  at 1,250 feet. The pilots we spoke with say it's clear based on the abrupt change on the flight tracker ... the pilot panicked and quickly ascended to 2,000 feet. We're told he cleared a mountain range by 100 feet, and the pilots we spoke with say he was so low he almost certainly saw the tops of the mountain.

The pilots we spoke with -- all of whom have extensive experience -- say based on the flight tracker and the accident scene, they believe the pilot felt he had cleared all of the mountains and was proceeding to head back when he hit another mountain. The pilot clearly did not know there were mountains ahead because he actually descended from 2,000 feet to 1,700 feet .. presumably to go under the fog.

Even more baffling, we've been told the pilot was extremely experienced flying in that area -- and was even a flight instructor. One seasoned helicopter pilot told TMZ, he could not understand why Kobe's pilot would have maintained a speed of 161 knots in such dense fog. One of the benefits of a helicopter is you can go much slower -- even 15 mph -- to gingerly avoid terrain if you're uncertain.

Our sources say the chopper was sophisticated and had an altitude warning signal to pull up, but it was too late. As we said, he was doing 161 knots and didn't slow down. The helicopter hit the mountain at that speed.

Several of the pilots we spoke with say the pilot should have gone up to clear the fog, rather than down. To that end, we're told the pilot could have slowed down to almost a stop as he turned, but didn't.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/27/kobe-bryant-helicopter-pilot-misjudged-terrain-slow-down/
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2020-01-27 22:37:38 UTC
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Why was he flying solo? The pilot was an incompetent fraud.
I'd like to know if Bryant insisted they try to go anyway, despite the
weather. I remember when Aaliyah's manager insisted their plane take
off even though the pilot warned him they were over weight, as the
manager had insisted on bringing along all the equipment.
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2020-01-27 23:22:27 UTC
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I'd like to know if Bryant insisted they try to go anyway, despite the weather. I remember when Aaliyah's manager insisted their plane take
off even though the pilot warned him they were over weight, as the manager had insisted on bringing along all the equipment.

Aaliyah's Case is another example of incompetent pilot. If nothing else, save your own life. Don’t fly overweight. Keith Green did the same. I bet we could generate a full list. Jim Croce, Ritchie Valens, etc.

The “pilot” is legally responsible but he chose to be a “yes” guy. All he had to do is slow down. While the helicopter was not designed to provide data and crash warnings, and that is major. But, the law will hold feet to fire 🔥 the one who had the “last clear chance” to avoid the accident. All that incompetent pilot had to do was slow to 15 mph and arrive alive.

Even if pressured by Kobe, pilot is legally responsible. We know pilot is insolvent and now dead. He had to kill 8 before he left.
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2020-01-27 23:43:11 UTC
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It wasn’t Kobe’s helicopter! Now every one can sue the incompetent pilot and his employer IEX.

The Helicopter Was Registered to IEX Helicopters

This changes everything. I love the law. LOL

Online records show that following his retirement, Kobe sold the helicopter to IEX Helicopters. Kobe continued to rent the helicopter from time to time after his retirement.

Good news! We have deep pockets and IEX is gonna pay. Kobe is worth $500 million. I am sure IEX is pooping in their nest.

Everyone will be recompensed. So glad Kobe didn’t employ that creep pilot.

B. I. N. G. O. 🍒 🍒🍒🍒
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2020-01-28 23:35:25 UTC
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It wasn’t Kobe’s helicopter! Now every one can sue the incompetent pilot and his employer IEX.

The Helicopter Was Registered to IEX Helicopters

This changes everything. I love the law. LOL

Online records show that following his retirement, Kobe sold the helicopter to IEX Helicopters. Kobe continued to rent the helicopter from time to time after his retirement.

Good news! We have deep pockets and IEX is gonna pay. Kobe is worth $500 million. I am sure IEX is pooping in their nest.

Everyone will be recompensed. So glad Kobe didn’t employ that creep pilot.

B. I. N. G. O. 🍒 🍒🍒🍒

Not so fast!

The business closed yesterday. All social media off and no more website.

$13 million craft bought for $515,000 from the State of Illinois is gone. I can’t see any other aircrafts either. I am not surprised.

Only issue is whether ISLAND EXPRESS HOLDING CORP provided the pilot or did Kobe hire him? I assume pilot came w the rental exculpating Kobe.

Looks like this company isn’t solvent. This is very bad. Passengers have a cause of action against Kobe. No good deed etc.
d***@gmail.com
2020-01-28 23:54:12 UTC
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Not so fast!

The business closed yesterday. All social media off and no more website. Do you think they left the country for the mother land?

$13 million craft bought for $515,000 from the State of Illinois is gone. I can’t see any other aircrafts either. I am not surprised.

Only issue is whether ISLAND EXPRESS HOLDING CORP provided the pilot or did Kobe hire him? I assume pilot came w the rental exculpating Kobe.

Looks like this company isn’t solvent. This is very bad. Passengers have a cause of action against Kobe. No good deed etc.
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2020-01-29 02:35:18 UTC
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Gawd. Just MORE bad news from NTSB...how irresponsible. No jury will tolerate this way of doing business:


KOBE BRYANT HELICOPTER CRASH
NO TERRAIN WARNING
SYSTEM ON BOARD
****Despite NTSB Recommendation****

The NTSB revealed the helicopter was not equipped with a terrain avoidance and warning system (TAWS), nor was it outfitted with a flight data recorder (FDR) or cockpit voice recorder (CVR).

The NTSB says it previously made 2 safety recommendations to the FAA ... require all helicopters carrying 6 passengers or more to have TAWS and for all rotor craft to be equipped with a FDR and CVR ... but the FAA did not take either recommendation. The agency says those instruments would've helped in this instance.

And, get this ... the NTSB says the helicopter's "high energy impact crash" was about 20 to 30 feet below the top of the hillside.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/28/kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-site-ntsb-investigators-go-through-site/
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2020-01-29 04:45:01 UTC
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I am sick that this “helicopter” company was told TWICE to correct the design defect. The law holds PUBLIC CARRIERS to a very high standard. Life is cheap to these folks.

They buy a $13 million helicopter for $515,000, then under capitalize operations to the detriment of the public (ie Kobe and friends), pocket the money, and leave the country when the schemes (inevitably) blow up. Public carriers must reach high standards.

If these modifications were implemented, judging near miss of 20-30 feet, they would have SAVED ALL 9. I’d actually say (I don’t believe I am saying it) ballsy boy the pilot’s estate SHOULD SUE HIS EMPLOYER.

Whadda mess. I love the law. 😘
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2020-01-29 18:55:23 UTC
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This is the latest. Why spend money to correct design weaknesses when you can navigate using .... an iPod app?

Yes. You heard right. They buy a $13 million helicopter for $515,000. They don’t do anything to make YOU safe. It’s a public carrier for pity’s sake when YOU KNOW you’re hauling Kobe around.

Take a lesson from Air Force One, rebuilt and examined thoroughly every 30 days. Don’t YOU DESERVE THE SAME?

So, now they are looking for an iPad (I kid you not) because there isn’t a black box. You own the machine used to transport a national treasure. What do they do? Close the business. Happy flying. Or, should I say happy crashing?
Kenny McCormack
2020-01-29 21:33:07 UTC
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In article <c21b7486-98ac-475a-bf09-***@googlegroups.com>,
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
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Take a lesson from Air Force One, rebuilt and examined thoroughly every
30 days. Don’t YOU DESERVE THE SAME?
I don't think EITHER AF1 or that helicopter were/are transporting anything
remotely resembling a "national treasure".
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2020-01-29 19:30:26 UTC
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This is the latest. Why spend money to correct design weaknesses when you can navigate using .... an iPad app?  

Yes. You heard right. They buy a $13 million helicopter for $515,000. They don’t do anything to make YOU safe. It’s a public carrier for pity’s sake when YOU KNOW you’re hauling Kobe around. They are too cheap to have two pilots which would have slowed pilot down to think. No one in his right mind flies when the skies aren’t clear. I don’t want to know how much they charged per flight, a few hundred dollars.

Take a lesson from Air Force One, rebuilt and examined thoroughly every 30 days. Don’t YOU DESERVE THE SAME?

So, now they are looking for an iPad (I kid you not) because there isn’t a black box. You own the machine used to transport a national treasure. What do they do?  Close the business. Will we ever hear from the responsibles? This case is criminal.
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2020-01-30 16:23:33 UTC
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This article is nonsense (just kill me already). A few years back, Southwest Airlines had a forced landing. On its own, SW pulled all planes of that model out of service immediately. SW corrected the problem before NTSB held a news conference. It went like this:

Thursday: forced landing, all planes ✈️ grounded. Meanwhile, NTSB was dispatched.

Friday: all SW planes in repair. NTSB examines plane subject to incidents.

Saturday: morning SW announces all repairs completed. Afternoon NTSB holds news conference grounding that plane model to all “other” airlines flying it.

See? SW announces repairs already completed “yesterday”. That is the standard of care required in the industry, Sikorsky (you belong in prison for voluntary manslaughter [gross criminal negligence]).

YOU GET AHEAD of IT. Sikorsky did “nothing” extraordinary to get ahead, let alone remedy this. As I said yesterday, this is a criminal problem. Let’s hope the DA gets ahead of it. People need to do time for this. It is criminal.

I studied this case in IT grad school masters program. I made Presidents List (waaaay better than “Honor Roll”). Hey, God made me smart. 😎

Helicopter Co. Urged Customers ...
INSTALL TERRAIN WARNING SYSTEM

Sikorsky, the manufacturer of the helicopter that crashed with Kobe Bryant and 8 others, had actively taken steps (explain if you can) to make sure other fliers of the S-76 add the critical system missing from Kobe's chopper.

The specific model flying Kobe was the S-76B and, as you know, the NTSB said it wasn't equipped with a Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS).

The company says it regularly notifies customers of enhanced technology offerings, but for obvious reasons ... it's a top priority now (guilt).

The NTSB also revealed Kobe's helicopter didn't have a cockpit voice or flight data recorder (aka a black box) -- because, once again, they weren't standard until recently. (The helicopter has a high nose and YOU CANNOT SEE THE GROUND) Sikorsky tells us TAWS and a black box have been standard since they rolled out their S-76D in 2012 (what about everyone else?).

As we reported ... the NTSB says it previously made 2 safety recommendations to the FAA about the warning system and the black box, but the FAA didn't take action. The strong insinuation is those instruments could have helped Kobe's pilot avoid catastrophe ... and helped investigators figure out what went wrong.

The NTSB first recommended mandatory black boxes and warning systems in 2006 following a crash the year before, but neither are currently mandated by the FAA for commercial flights.
Sikorsky says it's deeply saddened by the Kobe tragedy and is "actively supporting the NTSB investigation," adding ... "Safety is our top priority. If there are any actionable findings from the investigation, we will immediately inform our S-76 customers."

https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/30/kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-company-contacting-customers-taws/
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2020-01-30 16:32:56 UTC
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Sikorsky sold to Lockheed Martin in 2015 for $9 billion. What about the public?

What about fixing your design problems?
Kenny McCormack
2020-01-30 16:37:11 UTC
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I studied this case in IT grad school masters program. I made Presidents List
(waaaay better than Honor Roll). Hey, God made me smart.
Yes, you definitely come across as a stable genius in this thead.

Yep...
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2020-01-30 16:40:43 UTC
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This will make me “go away”. Yeah.

Sikorsky sold to Lockheed Martin in 2015 for $9 billion.

I promise you now that checks are being cut. Victims will recover. Their attorneys have explained the criminality of the matter.

No need to lecture Lockheed Martin on getting ahead of problems. WTG

Again, brains are better than money.
W.C. Green
2020-01-30 18:27:54 UTC
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This will make me “go away”. Yeah.
Sikorsky sold to Lockheed Martin in 2015 for $9 billion.
I promise you now that checks are being cut. Victims will recover.
How much to buy a dead victim's recovery? (Asking for a friend....)
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d***@gmail.com
2020-01-30 16:44:01 UTC
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This will make me “go away”. Yeah.

Sikorsky sold to Lockheed Martin in 2015 for $9 billion.

I promise you now that checks are being cut. Victims will recover. Their attorneys have explained the criminality of the matter.

No need to lecture Lockheed Martin on getting ahead of problems. WTG

Again, brains are better than money. I now return to the Harvey Weinstein trial. Two new witnesses today. Look at him. This is what happens when you behave like a barnyard animal.
d***@gmail.com
2020-01-31 12:57:40 UTC
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Not so fast!

The business closed yesterday. All social media off and no more website. Do you think they left the country for the mother land?

$13 million craft bought for $515,000 from the State of Illinois is gone. I can’t see any other aircrafts either. I am not surprised.

Only issue is whether ISLAND EXPRESS HOLDING CORP provided the pilot or did Kobe hire him? I assume pilot came w the rental exculpating Kobe.

Looks like this company isn’t solvent. This is very bad. Passengers have a cause of action against Kobe. No good deed etc.

Well well ... NY Post is catching up. Website back up. That’s the first place to dig. I know they changed content. We call that EVIDENCE TAMPERING and it’s a felony. This is a criminal matter. Get to it guys.

Helicopter charter company suspends flights after Kobe crash

The charter company that owns the helicopter Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gianna were traveling in when it crashed, killing all nine people on board, suspended all of their services after the accident.

The company, Island Express Helicopter, announced they had grounded all of their flights in a statement posted to their website on Thursday.
“All services (regular and charter) were immediately suspended following the tragic accident on Sunday, January 26,” they wrote.
“The shock of the accident affected all staff, and management decided that service would be suspended until such time as it was deemed appropriate for staff and customers,” they added in the statement.

After the crash, the company said in another statement that they’re working with the NTSB to investigate the cause of the crash, which killed their chief pilot.

“We are deeply saddened by this tragedy. Our top priority is providing assistance to the families of the passengers and the pilot,” the company wrote in the statement.

“We hope that you will respect their privacy at this extremely difficult time.”

Bryant and Gianna were killed in the crash on Sunday near Calabasas, Calif. when the chopper they were riding in smashed into the side of a mountain.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/31/helicopter-charter-company-suspends-flights-after-crash-that-killed-kobe-bryant/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nypdaily&utm_content=20200131&tpcc=morning_report&mpweb=755-8575311-719745364
Kenny McCormack
2020-01-31 15:16:24 UTC
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Not so fast!
Nobody cares.
Post by d***@gmail.com
The business closed yesterday. All social media off and no more
website. Do you think they left the country for the mother land?
Somebody needs to get back on their meds...
Post by d***@gmail.com
$13 million craft bought for $515,000 from the State of Illinois is
gone. I cant see any other aircrafts either. I am not surprised.
Whacko.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Only issue is whether ISLAND EXPRESS HOLDING CORP provided the pilot or
did Kobe hire him? I assume pilot came w the rental exculpating Kobe.
A village in Indiana is missing its idiot.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Looks like this company isnt solvent. This is very bad. Passengers have
a cause of action against Kobe. No good deed etc.
Screwball.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Well well ... NY Post is catching up. Website back up. Thats the first
place to dig. I know they changed content. We call that EVIDENCE
TAMPERING and its a felony. This is a criminal matter. Get to it guys.
Off Topic.
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Helicopter charter company suspends flights after Kobe crash
Loonball.
Post by d***@gmail.com
The charter company that owns the helicopter Kobe Bryant and his
daughter Gianna were traveling in when it crashed, killing all nine
people on board, suspended all of their services after the accident.
Paranoid Freak.
Post by d***@gmail.com
The company, Island Express Helicopter, announced they had grounded all
of their flights in a statement posted to their website on Thursday.
All services (regular and charter) were immediately suspended following
the tragic accident on Sunday, January 26, they wrote. The shock of the
accident affected all staff, and management decided that service would
be suspended until such time as it was deemed appropriate for staff and
customers, they added in the statement.
Beyond hope.
Post by d***@gmail.com
After the crash, the company said in another statement that theyre
working with the NTSB to investigate the cause of the crash, which
killed their chief pilot.
Weirdo.
Post by d***@gmail.com
We are deeply saddened by this tragedy. Our top priority is providing
assistance to the families of the passengers and the pilot, the company
wrote in the statement.
Crackpot.
Post by d***@gmail.com
We hope that you will respect their privacy at this extremely difficult
time.

Make America Great Again.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Bryant and Gianna were killed in the crash on Sunday near Calabasas,
Calif. when the chopper they were riding in smashed into the side of a
mountain.
Nobody cares.
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2020-01-31 16:49:44 UTC
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Kenny McCormack...

It is still not about you (very unfortunately), and your personal opinions. This is law and it affects everyone. Never seen Kobe play. Don’t watch basketball. The only thing I ever followed was his Hotel rape and that news conference w Vanessa in her new diamond bracelet. It seems pro sports figures have the Harvey Weinstein syndrome.
Kenny McCormack
2020-01-31 17:31:25 UTC
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Kenny McCormack...
It is still not about you (very unfortunately), and your personal opinions. This
is law and it affects everyone. Never seen Kobe play. Don’t watch basketball.
The only thing I ever followed was his Hotel rape and that news conference w
Vanessa in her new diamond bracelet. It seems pro sports figures have the Harvey
Weinstein syndrome.
Actually, it is. About my opinions. And yours. And everyone else's.

That's why we call this thing a "newsgroup" - because people comment on the
news. And on each other. And on whatever else they feel like commenting
upon.

Really, though... Hard to believe you're this invested in this Kobe thing
and you're not even a basketball fan. Strange thing, that.

BTW, since you're such a legal beagle - and you seem to take the hotel
rape as a fait acompli - how do you explain the fact that he's not withering
away in jail somewhere? (Which, incidentally, would have saved his life,
since if he had been rightly put in jail way back then, he'd not have been
in that helicopter thingie now)
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d***@gmail.com
2020-01-31 20:04:46 UTC
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Stay in school. You really need it
d***@gmail.com
2020-01-31 20:10:14 UTC
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For your own good, stay in school.

It’s your only hope.
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2020-02-07 22:09:05 UTC
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Breaking: Helicopter that killed Kobe Bryant showed no signs of engine failure, federal investigators say

The helicopter that crashed killing NBA legend Kobe Bryant, his 13-year-old daughter Gianna and seven others onboard, showed no evidence of “catastrophic internal” engine failure, federal investigators said Friday.

The Sikorsky S-76B chopper crashed Jan. 26 amid foggy conditions in the hills overlooking Calabasas, Calif., and “was destroyed by impact forces and fire,” according to a new report released by the National Transportation Safety Board.

The report states that a witness heard the sound of the helicopter and then heard it getting louder as he then saw the chopper emerge from the clouds.

“He judged it to be moving fast, travelling on a forward and descending trajectory,” the report says. “It started to roll to the left such that he caught a glimpse of its belly. He observed it for 1 or 2 seconds, before it impacted terrain about 50 feet below his position.”

The NTSB is continuing to investigate the crash and said it will take at least a year to release a final report with findings about what exactly caused it.

Investigators previously revealed that the chopper lacked a terrain awareness system – which was not mandatory – that could have warned the pilot he was too close to the ground.

The NTSB said in its preliminary report that all “significant components” of the helicopter were located within the wreckage area, and that “a number of personal devices” were recovered from the site “and will examined for any relevant data.”

All inspections were up to date on the chopper, the agency said.


IOW: pilot error compounded by lack of adequate tracking system.


https://nypost.com/2020/02/07/helicopter-that-killed-kobe-bryant-showed-no-signs-of-engine-failure/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20200207&tpcc=nypbreaking&mpweb=755-8594362-719745364
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2020-02-07 22:13:00 UTC
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https://www.tmz.com/2020/02/07/kobe-bryant-ntsb-results-helicopter-crash/

Article Says same as NY POST.
Just like my H A R V E Y.
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2020-02-07 22:20:21 UTC
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The NTSB says an initial investigation into the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash shows no outward evidence of engine failure.

The National Transportation Safety Board released preliminary findings into the Jan. 26 crash saying it appears the engine was working at the time of the crash because there was a cut tree branch at the crash scene.

The NTSB report says the helicopter's instrument panel was completely destroyed in the wreckage.

The main wreckage was 127 feet from the impact site -- and that's where investigators found both engines, the entire fuselage, portions of the cockpit instrument panel and other key pieces of the aircraft.

According to the report, the pilot's final transmission to the Southern California Terminal Radar Approach Control (SCT) was to let the controller know he was trying to climb to 4,000 feet to get above the thick fog/cloud layer.

However, radar data collected by investigators shows the aircraft only reached 2,300 feet before trying to make a left turn. Eight seconds later the aircraft began descending (while trying to turn) at a VERY high rate of speed, dropping at rate of 4,000 feet per minute before crashing into the mountain.

As we reported ... NTSB officials said Kobe's Sikorsky S-76 chopper was NOT equipped with a terrain awareness and warning system (TAWS), nor was it outfitted with a flight data recorder (FDR) or cockpit voice recorder (CVR).

In the seconds prior to crashing, the pilot, Ara Zoboyan, took the helicopter from 1,200 feet to 2,000 feet within a matter of seconds. It appeared he cleared one hillside, only to strike the next when it crashed at about 1700 feet. Photos taken by a mountain biker on a nearby trail show the intensity of the crash.

In the days following the crash, a team of NTSB investigators combed the crash site ... rummaging through debris. The agency released drone footage showing most of the aircraft in tiny pieces.

All of the parts were shipped to Arizona, where the NTSB reassembled the aircraft.

The NTSB says it will release its final report in 12 to 18 months. That one is expected to include findings, recommendations and probable cause for the crash.

As we told you, the NTSB says back in 2006 it recommended the FAA require all helicopters carrying **** 6 or more passengers to have TAWS, and for all rotorcraft to have an FDR and CVR****. The FAA didn't mandate either.[so]

All 8 passengers -- Kobe, his daughter, Gianna, John Altobelli, Keri Altobelli, Alyssa Altobelli, Sarah Chester, Payton Chester, Christina Mauser -- and the pilot were killed in the crash.
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2020-02-24 19:29:52 UTC
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Edit: She has a good attorney 😎

VANESSA BRYANT
FILES WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUIT
... Claims Pilot Was Reckless (duh)

Vanessa Bryant has just sued the company that owned the doomed helicopter that crashed, killing Kobe, Gigi and 7 others ... claiming the aircraft should never have been placed in the peril it was in before the Jan. 26 accident.
The lawsuit alleges Island Express was only allowed to fly under visual flight rules, and the conditions the day of the crash were not conducive for such flying. As we reported, the fog was extremely low and the pilot was in blinding conditions before the mishap.

The lawsuit also says the pilot was going 180 miles per hour in the heavy fog in a steep decline in the moments before it crashed in Calabasas, CA.

The lawsuit claims the pilot failed to properly monitor and assess the weather prior to takeoff, failed to obtain proper weather data prior to the flight, failed to abort the flight when he knew of the cloudy condition, failed to maintain control of the helicopter and failed to avoid "natural obstacles" in the flight path.

The suit says Island Express engaged in unnecessary and needlessly risky means of transportation under the circumstances.
The suit also asks for damages for "pre-impact" terror -- damages for the emotional trauma Kobe and Gigi suffered as the pilot struggled to get out of the clouds before the crash.

The lawsuit also says the pilot, Ara George Zobayan, was disciplined in 2015 for violating the visual flight rule minimums by flying into an airspace of reduced visibility.

The lawsuit also claims the helicopter was not safe, although it doesn't say what was unsafe. It could be the basis for the claim is that the helicopter was not certified to fly in bad weather.
The lawsuit does not list an amount of damages sought, but Vanessa is asking for punitive damages, claiming the pilot and Island Express were reckless, and the damages could be untold millions.

The suit seeks damages for loss of love, affection, care, society, service, comfort, support, right to support, companionship, solace or moral support and expectations of future support and counseling. The suit also seeks money for loss of financial support and for burial and funeral expenses.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/02/24/kobe-bryant-wrongful-death-lawsuit-island-express-helicopters-vanessa-gigi/
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2020-02-24 19:36:24 UTC
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Your Armenian Hero (let it fly)

“The lawsuit also says the pilot, Ara George Zobayan, was disciplined in 2015 for violating the visual flight rule minimums by flying into an airspace of reduced visibility.”

“Willful” translating to HUGE PUNITIVE DAMAGES. Kobe just doubled his wealth.
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2020-02-24 20:44:17 UTC
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Look at these **** points.

The lawsuit claims the pilot:

1. failed to properly monitor and assess the weather prior to takeoff,
2. failed to obtain proper weather data prior to the flight, failed to abort the flight when he knew of the cloudy condition,
3. failed to maintain control of the helicopter and failed to avoid "natural obstacles" in the flight path.

The suit says Island Express engaged in unnecessary and ***needlessly risky*** means of transportation under the circumstances.

The suit also asks for damages for "pre-impact" terror 😱-- damages for the emotional trauma Kobe and Gigi suffered as the pilot struggled to get out of the clouds before the crash 😱

The lawsuit also says the pilot, Ara George Zobayan, was ***disciplined in 2015 for violating the visual flight rule minimums*** by flying into an airspace of reduced visibility.

The lawsuit also claims the helicopter was not safe, although it doesn't say what was unsafe.
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2020-02-24 20:52:23 UTC
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The lawsuit also claims the helicopter was not safe, although it doesn't say what was unsafe.

Well failure to bring equipment to minimum standards per govt standards for starters.
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2020-05-12 02:17:22 UTC
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This dead “pilot” has family speaking not a lawyer.

“Kobe Bryant knew ‘risks involved’ in chopper ride, pilot’s family claims”

Hysterically funny.

Blame dead victims that your brother killed.
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2020-05-16 17:56:27 UTC
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Autopsies are in.

http://links.nypost.com/a/755/click/8873537/719745364/_16e9a5538967ce1cb408a0276fd73d0b656555f3/e9893a25ebad1e951f095a287bd3f9d7dbc5360d?ana=InV0bV9zb3VyY2U9bWFyb3Bvc3QmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bnlwZGFpbHkmdXRtX2NvbnRlbnQ9MjAyMDA1MTYmdHBjYz1tb3JuaW5nX3JlcG9ydCI=
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2020-01-31 16:50:55 UTC
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Kenny McCormack...

Stay in school.
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2020-01-31 18:18:42 UTC
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Well well ... NY Post is catching up. Website back up. That’s the first place to dig. I know they changed content. We call that EVIDENCE TAMPERING and it’s a felony.
Is it really? A web site is a dynamic, public-facing record,
constantly being edited, or at least subject to being edited at the
owner's whim. To me, that's almost like a company in legal trouble
pulling its TV ads and putting up new ones.

David Carson
Alfalfa Bill
2020-01-27 23:42:04 UTC
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Why was he flying solo? The pilot was an incompetent fraud.
I'd like to know if Bryant insisted they try to go anyway, despite the
weather. I remember when Aaliyah's manager insisted their plane take
off even though the pilot warned him they were over weight, as the
manager had insisted on bringing along all the equipment.
Thanks for the detailed explanations. I never would have found the information on my own. This is the strength of the internet: getting expert analysis if you ask the right person.
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2020-01-27 23:49:28 UTC
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Thanks for the detailed explanations. I never would have found the information on my own. This is the strength of the internet: getting expert analysis if you ask the right person.

You’re the op. I practiced law 48 years but retired. You can’t get away from it once you’re an attorney. I practice daily in every move I make. Risky and litigious world.
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2020-01-28 00:03:03 UTC
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Here’s the incompetent pilot’s condo

8 photos. 1 bedroom 1 bath 400 sq ft

16972 Pacific Coast Hwy Unit 104,
Huntington Beach, CA 92649
$186,000

According to FAA license...

I am sure his bank account is substantial.
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2020-01-28 00:25:49 UTC
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IEX next move...

I need to read any paperwork signed by Kobe and his party. There may be a limited liability.

I hope there’s insurance. Otherwise, I’d file Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. Passengers still have a cause of action against the Estate of Bryant.

We can follow this one for the next few years. 😐
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2020-01-28 05:35:35 UTC
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This guy is as bad as Michael Jackson’s Doctor. Both foreign.
What does this mean?

He was a 50 year old American living in Huntington Beach.

If you mean his ancestors were at some point from a country other than the U.S., that describes virtually every soul in the U.S., including Kobe.

He was an American with Armenian ancestry
and was most decidedly not "foreign".
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2020-01-26 20:31:55 UTC
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7931909/Kobe-Bryant-dies-Calabasas-helicopter-crash.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small
Kobe Bryant killed along with four others in Calabasas helicopter crash
Kobe Bryant was reportedly killed in a helicopter crash in Calabasas, California, on Sunday morning.
The 41-year-old basketball star's death was confirmed by TMZ.
Strange coincidence. I heard Bryant's name on Saturday for the first time
since his playing days, when he was congratulating LeBron James for
breaking his (Bryant's) all-time scoring record.

bill
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2020-01-26 23:13:48 UTC
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7931909/Kobe-Bryant-dies-Calabasas-helicopter-crash.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small
Kobe Bryant killed along with four others in Calabasas helicopter crash
Kobe Bryant was reportedly killed in a helicopter crash in Calabasas, California, on Sunday morning.
The 41-year-old basketball star's death was confirmed by TMZ.
Strange coincidence. I heard Bryant's name on Saturday for the first time
since his playing days, when he was congratulating LeBron James for
breaking his (Bryant's) all-time scoring record.
Updated All Time Scoring

1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387
2 Karl Malone 36,928
3 LeBRON JAMES 33,655
4 Kobe Bryant 33,643
5 Michael Jordan 32,292
d***@gmail.com
2020-01-26 21:38:16 UTC
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It has to be pilot error.

Weather was perfect yesterday
in Calabasas.

Who will pickup this settlement?
His pilot and his helicopter..
d***@gmail.com
2020-01-26 21:40:02 UTC
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OMG His daughter was also
Killed. OMG
Travoltron
2020-01-26 22:43:26 UTC
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Nine people dead. They're not releasing names.
d***@gmail.com
2020-01-26 22:46:00 UTC
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Nine people dead. They're not releasing names.

Coroner will arrive, pronounce, autopsy then release names. The nine include pilot.
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2020-01-26 23:21:45 UTC
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Nine people dead. They're not releasing names.

They will release names
(as soon as TMZ tells them LOLOLOL).
J.D. Baldwin
2020-01-27 02:31:57 UTC
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It has to be pilot error.
Weather was perfect yesterday
in Calabasas.
You are ruling out mechanical failure for some reason? Helicopters
have a lot of failure modes from which there is no recovery.
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2020-01-27 02:37:39 UTC
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It has to be pilot error.
Weather was perfect yesterday
in Calabasas.
You are ruling out mechanical failure for some reason? Helicopters
have a lot of failure modes from which there is no recovery.
Helicopters. Can. NOT. Fly.
It's black magic
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2020-01-27 06:12:49 UTC
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You are ruling out mechanical failure for some reason? Helicopters have a lot of failure modes from which there is no recovery.

Gawd. News says they hit fog. Pilot error.
Kenny McCormack
2020-01-27 10:43:09 UTC
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You are ruling out mechanical failure for some reason? Helicopters have a lot of
failure modes from which there is no recovery.
Gawd. News says they hit fog. Pilot error.
Sounds more like fog error to me.
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2020-01-27 17:22:37 UTC
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Sounds more like fog error to me.

You aren’t a pilot. Are you?
What do you know? Uh not much.

RIF
J.D. Baldwin
2020-01-28 04:35:14 UTC
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You aren't a pilot. Are you?
What do you know? Uh not much.
Oh, wait ... are you a *pilot*? Gosh. <eyes widen> Do tell us
how the events unfolded. Spare no details.
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2020-01-27 13:28:01 UTC
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Gawd. News says they hit fog. Pilot error.
You don't think aircraft in 2020 are equipped to fly in fog? I was
doing it in 1985.
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2020-01-27 15:47:52 UTC
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You don't think aircraft in 2020 are equipped to fly in fog? I was doing it in 1985.

Uh. Sorry if you think this about you. Unfortunately, it isn’t.
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2020-01-27 15:54:35 UTC
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Kobe Bryant helicopter crash: Ara Zobayan, Sarah and Payton Chester identified as victims

https://nypost.com/2020/01/27/kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-ara-zobayan-sarah-and-payton-chester-identified-as-victims/amp/

9 Identified w photos
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-victims-identified-john-altobelli-keri-altobelli-alyssa-altobelli-christina-mauser/
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2020-01-27 16:05:22 UTC
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Ara Zobayan

The helicopter was piloted by Ara Zobayan. According to the FAA, he received his commercial pilot certificate in 2007.

I hope he has a huge errors and omissions policy to cover this one. I am taking bets he doesn’t. Call it a hunch. He’ll need 15/30 billion. These are wealthy people he killed. I smell trouble. Passengers will sue Kobe, pilot, and others along the way. Kobe’s estate may become liable. Wow! Whadda case. Poor Vanessa.
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2020-01-27 16:29:58 UTC
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The basic rule is that insurance is required in general aviation, and proof of that insurance has to be carried in the plane. ... That said, a fairly typical liability-only (domestic) US insurance general aviation aircraft policy will provide $100,000 of coverage per passenger/injury.

https://law.freeadvice.com › aviation...

OMG! Please allow me to explain. In California, drivers must have 15,000/30,000 liability insurance. I carry 25/30 million because it’s stooopid not to and it doesn’t cost that much more. Lawyer 48 years - I live cautiously because I am not judgment proof (I have money and wanna keep it).

Too bad ordinary people can’t reach some big folks. 😐 My advice is UP YOUR LIMITS. TALK TO YOUR INS AGENT.
Alfalfa Bill
2020-01-27 17:58:26 UTC
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Ara Zobayan
The helicopter was piloted by Ara Zobayan. According to the FAA, he received his commercial pilot certificate in 2007.
I hope he has a huge errors and omissions policy to cover this one. I am taking bets he doesn’t. Call it a hunch. He’ll need 15/30 billion. These are wealthy people he killed. I smell trouble. Passengers will sue Kobe, pilot, and others along the way. Kobe’s estate may become liable. Wow! Whadda case. Poor Vanessa.
I believe that Kobe owned the helicopter. Is it possible the accident was caused by a maintenance issue? If so, do you see a way that Kobe could
shift liability to another party?
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2020-01-27 18:18:08 UTC
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I believe that Kobe owned the helicopter. Is it possible the accident was caused by a maintenance issue? If so, do you see a way that Kobe could shift liability to another party?

I love the way you think! Congrats!

I think I mentioned there would be several parties defending. He may be incorporated to avoid personal liability. But, the jack ass yesterday who claimed to be KB’s attorney brayed that KB wasn’t onboard. He doesn’t sound smart enough to figure things out such as policy limits, incorporating, etc and this is small stuff (but I am a survivor).

If the pilot was an employee vs independent contractor will impact. Problem w legal cases is multitude of issues. I dragged in the helicopter because IMO its safety record stinks.

Bottom line: pilot error. He never shb flying. Keep thinking! I see great potential in you. Also, head over to TMZ. I love this site because Harvey is a lawyer too and he knows a lot more than he says. That makes him very smart. He will lead in the right direction. We don’t have enough info but this is a fascinating case. Poor Vanessa. She doesn’t know much more than any high schooler. 😳
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2020-01-27 18:23:46 UTC
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More information... I wonder when the 8 passengers realized their pilot made the ultimate error. It happened in mere seconds. Below are the details as the tragedy played out. The pilot looks Russian or Eastern European. He is responsible and judgment proof. I am glad Harvey is a lawyer and reports a certain way.



4:30 PM PT -- L.A. weather was extremely foggy Sunday morning, and law enforcement sources tell us even LAPD air support was grounded because of it. Flight tracker data shows Kobe's chopper appeared to first encounter weather issues as it was above the L.A. Zoo. It circled that area at least 6 times at a very low altitude -- around 875 feet -- perhaps waiting for the fog to clear.

We know the pilot contacted the control tower at Burbank Airport around 9:30 AM PT, and the tower was aware the pilot had been circling for about 15 minutes.

The pilot eventually headed north along the 118 freeway before turning to the west, and started following above the 101 freeway around Woodland Hills, CA.

At around 9:40 AM they encounter more weather -- as in seriously heavy fog -- and the chopper turned south. This was critical, because they turned toward a mountainous area. The pilot suddenly and rapidly climbed from about 1200 feet up to 2000 feet (they traveled 184 mph dropping 4000 feet per minute).

However, moments later -- around 9:45 AM -- they flew into a mountain at 1700 feet. Flight tracker data shows they were flying at about 161 knots.
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2020-01-27 18:35:06 UTC
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Pilot panicked right here. WTG Harvey.

We know the pilot contacted the control tower at Burbank Airport around 9:30 AM PT, and the tower was aware the pilot had been circling for about 15 minutes.
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2020-01-27 18:43:21 UTC
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Then, turning into a mountain?

They had the Pacific Ocean if pilot had turned the other way. It was all over once he made THE WRONG TURN. I think he panicked. His thinking was defective.
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2020-01-27 15:42:50 UTC
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Gawd. News says they hit fog. Pilot error.

Products liability along w fog after researching safety record. Kobe needed to “continue his education”. Money is no substitute for brains.

A Sikorsky S-76 crashed in Canada in 2013, as did another in Turkey in 2017. The company's website, though, notes that the helicopter has “more than 7.4 million hours of safe, successful flight.” According to Business Insider, the Sikorsky S-76 has a “sterling safety record.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/sikorsky-s76-helicopter-kobe-bryant.amp

😐 Sorry. Gotta go. I have knives to sharpen. 😉
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2020-01-29 02:33:02 UTC
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Products liability along w fog after researching safety record. Kobe needed to “continue his education”. Money is no substitute for brains.

A Sikorsky S-76 crashed in Canada in 2013, as did another in Turkey in 2017. The company's website, though, notes that the helicopter has “more than 7.4 million hours of safe, successful flight.” According to Business Insider, the Sikorsky S-76 has a “sterling safety record.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/sikorsky-s76-helicopter-kobe-bryant.amp

😐 Sorry. Gotta go. I have knives to sharpen. 😉


Gawd. Just MORE bad news from NTSB...how irresponsible. No jury will tolerate this way of doing business:


KOBE BRYANT HELICOPTER CRASH
NO TERRAIN WARNING
SYSTEM ON BOARD
****Despite NTSB Recommendation****

The NTSB revealed the helicopter was not equipped with a terrain avoidance and warning system (TAWS), nor was it outfitted with a flight data recorder (FDR) or cockpit voice recorder (CVR).

The NTSB says it previously made 2 safety recommendations to the FAA ... require all helicopters carrying 6 passengers or more to have TAWS and for all rotor craft to be equipped with a FDR and CVR ... but the FAA did not take either recommendation. The agency says those instruments would've helped in this instance.

And, get this ... the NTSB says the helicopter's "high energy impact crash" was about 20 to 30 feet below the top of the hillside.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/28/kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-site-ntsb-investigators-go-through-site/
Travoltron
2020-01-27 23:42:50 UTC
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So here's some more weirdness about this case.
Back in 2012, some guy Tweeted out exactly how Kobe Bryant was going to die:

https://twitter.com/dotNoso/status/268466325842694144

People are going crazy, either blaming this guy for Kobe's death or
asking him to predict the next lotto numbers.
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