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2023-11-09 19:51:20 UTC
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As commander of Apollo 8, the late Borman was one of the first three humans to leave the immediate vicinity of Earth.

For my money, Apollo 8 was a bolder mission than even the understandably-more-celebrated Apollo 11 seven months later, which of course even those uninterested in the space race know was the first landing mission. Borman, Jim Lovell and Bill Anders's collective feat for NASA--and on behalf of all humanity--earned them Time magazine's designation as Men of the Year, and their Genesis-quoting Christmas Eve 1968 telecast from lunar orbit was by any standard one of the most indelible moments of the 20th Century.

And while hardly one of this American hero's greatest accomplishments, Borman also made many earnest, credible television commercials while later heading Eastern Airlines ("We have to earn our wings every day.")

Borman expired at 95 of stroke on Tuesday, November 7th in Billings, Montana; Christmas Eve 1968 was also a Tuesday.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
David Carson
2023-11-09 22:33:36 UTC
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As commander of Apollo 8, the late Borman was one of the first three humans to leave the immediate vicinity of Earth.
For my money, Apollo 8 was a bolder mission than even the understandably-more-celebrated Apollo 11 seven months later, which of course even those uninterested in the space race know was the first landing mission. Borman, Jim Lovell and Bill Anders's collective feat for NASA--and on behalf of all humanity--earned them Time magazine's designation as Men of the Year, and their Genesis-quoting Christmas Eve 1968 telecast from lunar orbit was by any standard one of the most indelible moments of the 20th Century.
I think that as far as a feat of human accomplishment, Apollo 8 was
more significant simply because it was so far beyond the scale of
anything previously done.

Apollo 8 was the last living 3-man crew, which is unexpected because
it was the first and had two of the oldest men in it.

Jim Lovell, 95, Apollo 8 & 13
Buzz Aldrin, 93 Apollo 11
Thomas Stafford, 93, Apollo 10
David Scott, 91, Apollo 9 and 15
Bill Anders, 90, Apollo 8
Fred Haise, 89, Apollo 13
Harrison Schmitt, 88, Apollo 17
Charles Duke, 88, Apollo 16
Russell Schweickart, 88, Apollo 9

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Louis Epstein
2023-11-09 23:13:35 UTC
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As commander of Apollo 8, the late Borman was one of the first three humans to leave the immediate vicinity of Earth.
For my money, Apollo 8 was a bolder mission than even the understandably-more-celebrated Apollo 11 seven months later, which of course even those uninterested in the space race know was the first landing mission. Borman, Jim Lovell and Bill Anders's collective feat for NASA--and on behalf of all humanity--earned them Time magazine's designation as Men of the Year, and their Genesis-quoting Christmas Eve 1968 telecast from lunar orbit was by any standard one of the most indelible moments of the 20th Century.
I think that as far as a feat of human accomplishment, Apollo 8 was
more significant simply because it was so far beyond the scale of
anything previously done.
Apollo 8 was the last living 3-man crew, which is unexpected because
it was the first and had two of the oldest men in it.
Jim Lovell, 95, Apollo 8 & 13
Buzz Aldrin, 93 Apollo 11
Thomas Stafford, 93, Apollo 10
David Scott, 91, Apollo 9 and 15
Bill Anders, 90, Apollo 8
Fred Haise, 89, Apollo 13
Harrison Schmitt, 88, Apollo 17
Charles Duke, 88, Apollo 16
Russell Schweickart, 88, Apollo 9
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2023-11-09 23:30:08 UTC
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Here's one gratifying thing about this so-far largely-wretched 21st Century:

Those we-never-landed-on-the-moon! clowns seem by 2023 to have had their silliness silenced for good. Thank Zeus the late Borman lived to see it.

STYBLE/Florida
danny burstein
2023-11-09 23:38:48 UTC
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Those we-never-landed-on-the-moon! clowns seem by 2023 to have had their silliness silenced for good. Thank Zeus the late Borman lived to see it.
On the other hand, I still don't believe we landed on Mars. Elliot
Gould and Rossi nailed it. As did Telly Savalas.

(and how come it's "The Moon" and not "The Mars"?)
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2023-11-10 04:09:22 UTC
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Here's Yahoo! coverage of Borman's death, which also covers his Gemini 7 mission with James Lovell. But one thing that wasn't mentioned much less explained was how the out-of-sequence Gemini missions 6 and 7 happened:

Gemini 7, with Borman aboard, went up BEFORE the blastoff of Gemini 6 (flown by Mercury 7 veteran Wally Schirra and first-time astronaut Thomas Stafford). Gemini 6 had been scrubbed earlier after an Agena mishap, but was then revived and launched to make space history with its rendezvous with the already-aloft, fortnight-in-orbit Gemini 7 (Borman and Lovell then remaining in orbit for a few days after the splash-down of Gemini 6).

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Louis Epstein
2023-11-10 08:15:28 UTC
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Gemini 7, with Borman aboard, went up BEFORE the blastoff of Gemini 6 (flown
by Mercury 7 veteran Wally Schirra and first-time astronaut Thomas Stafford).
Gemini 6 had been scrubbed earlier after an Agena mishap, but was then
revived and launched to make space history with its rendezvous with the
already-aloft, fortnight-in-orbit Gemini 7 (Borman and Lovell then remaining
in orbit for a few days after the splash-down of Gemini 6).
The earliest launches I remember watching on television,
though my parents reportedly held me in front of the set
to see the coverage of Alan Shepard's Mercury flight when
I was barely months old.
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2023-11-11 22:34:27 UTC
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Here's Yahoo! coverage of Borman's death, which also covers his Gemini 7
mission with James Lovell. But one thing that wasn't mentioned much less
Gemini 7, with Borman aboard, went up BEFORE the blastoff of Gemini 6 (flown
by Mercury 7 veteran Wally Schirra and first-time astronaut Thomas Stafford).
Gemini 6 had been scrubbed earlier after an Agena mishap, but was then
revived and launched to make space history with its rendezvous with the
already-aloft, fortnight-in-orbit Gemini 7 (Borman and Lovell then remaining
in orbit for a few days after the splash-down of Gemini 6).
This was a very big deal. The USSR's manned space program had been
kicking U.S. butt for several years, but NASA finally got the money and
free rein it needed to surpass it. The problem with the U.S. program
was that it had no goals after an initial manned landing on the moon.
There was no military advantage to speak of, and the GOP had already
successfully tarred the space program as a Kennedy thing. Also, NASA's
p.r. was run by a notoriously mean-tempered drunk who did more damage
to the space program that Ming did to Flash Gordon's. I still wonder
if putting that guy in charge and leaving him there was done on
purpose.
Louis Epstein
2023-11-10 08:13:59 UTC
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Those we-never-landed-on-the-moon! clowns seem by 2023 to have had their silliness silenced for good. Thank Zeus the late Borman lived to see it.
On the other hand, I still don't believe we landed on Mars. Elliot
Gould and Rossi nailed it. As did Telly Savalas.
George Santos wasn't first?
Post by danny burstein
(and how come it's "The Moon" and not "The Mars"?)
Like the sun,"the moon" is considered descriptive,
"Mars" a proper name for "the red planet".


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2023-11-11 22:36:15 UTC
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Those we-never-landed-on-the-moon! clowns seem by 2023 to have had their
silliness silenced for good. Thank Zeus the late Borman lived to see it.
On the other hand, I still don't believe we landed on Mars. Elliot
Gould and Rossi nailed it. As did Telly Savalas.
George Santos wasn't first?
Post by danny burstein
(and how come it's "The Moon" and not "The Mars"?)
Like the sun,"the moon" is considered descriptive,
"Mars" a proper name for "the red planet".
It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
danny burstein
2023-11-11 22:42:10 UTC
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(and how come it's "The Moon" and not "The Mars"?)
Like the sun,"the moon" is considered descriptive,
"Mars" a proper name for "the red planet".
It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
If that's the case, how come we don't hear "The Vulcan"
in "Star Trek: Enterprise", eh?

Must be those extra terrestrial, time traveling, Nazis...
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2023-11-12 18:20:47 UTC
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Those we-never-landed-on-the-moon! clowns seem by 2023 to have had their
silliness silenced for good. Thank Zeus the late Borman lived to see it.
On the other hand, I still don't believe we landed on Mars. Elliot
Gould and Rossi nailed it. As did Telly Savalas.
George Santos wasn't first?
Post by danny burstein
(and how come it's "The Moon" and not "The Mars"?)
Like the sun,"the moon" is considered descriptive,
"Mars" a proper name for "the red planet".
It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
Actually, it's just "Earth", even though
popular usage often incorrectly tosses
in the "The". And I'm endlessly having
to explain to people the difference
between "Earth" (the planet) and "earth"
(soil).

And I never saw anything in early Star
Trek materials that called Spock's planet
"The Vulcan", though there were some
mentions of it as "Vulcanis" before it
later was conformed to match the name of
its inhabitants as "Vulcan".
David Carson
2023-11-12 19:21:47 UTC
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It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
Actually, it's just "Earth", even though
popular usage often incorrectly tosses
in the "The".
That "popular usage" goes as far back as the first sentence of a very
famous, very old book, if you catch my drift. It seems rather presumpitve
to call it "incorrect."
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And I never saw anything in early Star
Trek materials that called Spock's planet
"The Vulcan", though there were some
mentions of it as "Vulcanis" before it
later was conformed to match the name of
its inhabitants as "Vulcan".
Star Trek shouldn't have named the planets after the people. It would
sound stupid of us to go around calling our planet Human.

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danny burstein
2023-11-12 19:38:26 UTC
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It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
Actually, it's just "Earth", even though
popular usage often incorrectly tosses
in the "The".
That "popular usage" goes as far back as the first sentence of a very
famous, very old book, if you catch my drift. It seems rather presumpitve
to call it "incorrect."
Ditto in the (semi original... ) Hebrew.
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2023-11-14 03:52:51 UTC
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It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
Actually, it's just "Earth", even though
popular usage often incorrectly tosses
in the "The".
That "popular usage" goes as far back as the first sentence of a very
famous, very old book, if you catch my drift. It seems rather presumpitve
to call it "incorrect."
Ditto in the (semi original... ) Hebrew.
The first sentence, in either Hebrew or
English, is not naming the planet. The
language is "created the heavens and the
earth" as contrasting forms of matter,
not "created Heaven and Earth" as named
locations. Likewise, as the chapter
proceeds, all the references to earth
(ha-aretz) are to the soil (which initially
is "unformed and void"; only in verse 10
does G-d name the gathered soil Eretz,
Earth (without the prefix as in ha-aretz).
Again, when one lists the planets by name,
one doesn't say Mercury, Venus, The Earth,
Mars, Jupiter, etc, but Mercury, Venus,
Earth, etc. It's like calling Ukraine
"The" Ukraine--long popularly used but
still incorrect.
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2023-11-12 20:50:58 UTC
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Those we-never-landed-on-the-moon! clowns seem by 2023 to have had their
silliness silenced for good. Thank Zeus the late Borman lived to see it.
On the other hand, I still don't believe we landed on Mars. Elliot
Gould and Rossi nailed it. As did Telly Savalas.
George Santos wasn't first?
Post by danny burstein
(and how come it's "The Moon" and not "The Mars"?)
Like the sun,"the moon" is considered descriptive,
"Mars" a proper name for "the red planet".
It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
Actually, it's just "Earth", even though popular usage often
incorrectly tosses in the "The".
If you mean popular usage over the course of several millennia, then I
don't disagree.
And I'm endlessly having to explain to people the difference between
"Earth" (the planet) and "earth" (soil).
You need to meet some brighter people.
And I never saw anything in early Star Trek materials that called
Spock's planet "The Vulcan", though there were some mentions of it as
"Vulcanis" before it later was conformed to match the name of its
inhabitants as "Vulcan".
The reference to The Vulcan was in the boatload of material Roddenberry
(or, rather, his office) shipped to James Blish in the UK when Mr.
Blish was tasked to write adaptations of TV episodes he'd actually
never seen. Mr. Blish was quite ill at the time and was largely
incapable of writing, so the adaptations were actually written by Mr.
Blish's wife and his mistress. (The three of them lived together and
were quite friendly.) Mr. Blish never enjoyed such fame or prosperity
during his career as he did at the end of it, with Star Trek, but he
was very happy about his late success, which he richly deserved.

As for the rest, the historic expression is "the earth," with no cap E.
The reference to The Vulcan is in a bit of Kirk's dialogue in the
adaptation of "Tomorrow Is Yesterday." No doubt it's an outlier.
Louis Epstein
2023-11-14 02:03:40 UTC
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Those we-never-landed-on-the-moon! clowns seem by 2023 to have had their
silliness silenced for good. Thank Zeus the late Borman lived to see it.
On the other hand, I still don't believe we landed on Mars. Elliot
Gould and Rossi nailed it. As did Telly Savalas.
George Santos wasn't first?
Post by danny burstein
(and how come it's "The Moon" and not "The Mars"?)
Like the sun,"the moon" is considered descriptive,
"Mars" a proper name for "the red planet".
It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
Actually, it's just "Earth", even though popular usage often
incorrectly tosses in the "The".
If you mean popular usage over the course of several millennia, then I
don't disagree.
And I'm endlessly having to explain to people the difference between
"Earth" (the planet) and "earth" (soil).
You need to meet some brighter people.
And I never saw anything in early Star Trek materials that called
Spock's planet "The Vulcan", though there were some mentions of it as
"Vulcanis" before it later was conformed to match the name of its
inhabitants as "Vulcan".
The reference to The Vulcan was in the boatload of material Roddenberry
(or, rather, his office) shipped to James Blish in the UK when Mr.
Blish was tasked to write adaptations of TV episodes he'd actually
never seen. Mr. Blish was quite ill at the time and was largely
incapable of writing, so the adaptations were actually written by Mr.
Blish's wife and his mistress. (The three of them lived together and
were quite friendly.)
Blish,Lawrence,and...?
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Mr. Blish never enjoyed such fame or prosperity
during his career as he did at the end of it, with Star Trek, but he
was very happy about his late success, which he richly deserved.
As for the rest, the historic expression is "the earth," with no cap E.
Failure to capitalize it seems ungrammatical to me,
without that it's a generic reference to soil.

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2023-11-14 02:11:21 UTC
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I'll vigorously second your Earth-not-earth motion, Louis; certainly well stated, but not well punctuated, I'm afraid.
(The key passage properly should read, "...to me; without that...")

And yes, I do admit to a perhaps-mentally-unhealthy fascination for the rampantly-misused semicolon. Geeze, even its NAME is often mis-punctuated as semi-colon.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
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2023-11-14 04:06:33 UTC
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Here's one gratifying thing about this so-far largely-wretched 21st
Those we-never-landed-on-the-moon! clowns seem by 2023 to have had their
silliness silenced for good. Thank Zeus the late Borman lived to see it.
On the other hand, I still don't believe we landed on Mars. Elliot
Gould and Rossi nailed it. As did Telly Savalas.
George Santos wasn't first?
Post by danny burstein
(and how come it's "The Moon" and not "The Mars"?)
Like the sun,"the moon" is considered descriptive,
"Mars" a proper name for "the red planet".
It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
Actually, it's just "Earth", even though popular usage often
incorrectly tosses in the "The".
If you mean popular usage over the course of several millennia, then I
don't disagree.
And I'm endlessly having to explain to people the difference between
"Earth" (the planet) and "earth" (soil).
You need to meet some brighter people.
And I never saw anything in early Star Trek materials that called
Spock's planet "The Vulcan", though there were some mentions of it as
"Vulcanis" before it later was conformed to match the name of its
inhabitants as "Vulcan".
The reference to The Vulcan was in the boatload of material Roddenberry
(or, rather, his office) shipped to James Blish in the UK when Mr.
Blish was tasked to write adaptations of TV episodes he'd actually
never seen. Mr. Blish was quite ill at the time and was largely
incapable of writing, so the adaptations were actually written by Mr.
Blish's wife and his mistress. (The three of them lived together and
were quite friendly.)
Blish,Lawrence,and...?
She never went public. I won't out her. BTW she also helped with
Blish's Cities in Flight tetralogy. In fact, she wrote most of the
final book.
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Mr. Blish never enjoyed such fame or prosperity
during his career as he did at the end of it, with Star Trek, but he
was very happy about his late success, which he richly deserved.
As for the rest, the historic expression is "the earth," with no cap E.
Failure to capitalize it seems ungrammatical to me,
without that it's a generic reference to soil.
Doesn't seem right to me, either.
David Samuel Barr
2023-11-14 03:54:49 UTC
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It is, however, The Earth. BTW some of the initial source materials
for Star Trek refer to Spock's home planet as The Vulcan.
Actually, it's just "Earth", even though popular usage often
incorrectly tosses in the "The".
If you mean popular usage over the course of several millennia, then I
don't disagree.
And I'm endlessly having to explain to people the difference between
"Earth" (the planet) and "earth" (soil).
You need to meet some brighter people.
And I never saw anything in early Star Trek materials that called
Spock's planet "The Vulcan", though there were some mentions of it as
"Vulcanis" before it later was conformed to match the name of its
inhabitants as "Vulcan".
The reference to The Vulcan was in the boatload of material Roddenberry
(or, rather, his office) shipped to James Blish in the UK when Mr.
Blish was tasked to write adaptations of TV episodes he'd actually
never seen. Mr. Blish was quite ill at the time and was largely
incapable of writing, so the adaptations were actually written by Mr.
Blish's wife and his mistress. (The three of them lived together and
were quite friendly.) Mr. Blish never enjoyed such fame or prosperity
during his career as he did at the end of it, with Star Trek, but he
was very happy about his late success, which he richly deserved.
I don't know how you know the particular content
of what was shipped to Blish. I have nearly every
official reference work on Star Trek history
published since 1968 (which include reproductions
of the early show bibles and volumes of internal
memos) and don't ever recall coming across "The
Vulcan" in any of them, though if you can cite an
actual reference I'd certainly check it out. I
don't know where you came up with the gossip
about Blish, Lawrence and a supposed mistress;
Blish wasn't incapacitated when he contracted to
do the books but he didn't like doing them so
while his wife is credited as co-author only on
volume 12 she is rumoured to have been the actual
author (supposedly along with her mother) of
volumes 6-12 (she of course did the final 13th,
after Blish's death, herself and is credited as
such).
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As for the rest, the historic expression is "the earth," with no cap E.
Again, as an expression, but not as the actual
planetary name.
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The reference to The Vulcan is in a bit of Kirk's dialogue in the
adaptation of "Tomorrow Is Yesterday." No doubt it's an outlier.
Remember that Blish et al never saw the episodes
and worked from early draft scripts, not even
final ones, so some adaptations were substantially
different from what aired; the cited dialogue in
this story mentioning "The Vulcan" never made it
to film, so clearly is an error, and it was too
early in the publishing program for the Bantam
editor to have recognised it as such and corrected
it.
A Friend
2023-11-14 10:51:47 UTC
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I don't know how you know the particular content
of what was shipped to Blish. I have nearly every
official reference work on Star Trek history
published since 1968 (which include reproductions
of the early show bibles and volumes of internal
memos) and don't ever recall coming across "The
Vulcan" in any of them, though if you can cite an
actual reference I'd certainly check it out.
I did not know Blish; I knew the other two pretty well. The expression
"The Vulcan" for the name of Spock's planet made it into the adaptation
of "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," but I think I've mentioned that already.
Again, it's in Kirk's dialogue when he introduces Capt. Christopher to
Spock, and they've just done the bit about "little green men."

I can't add anything past this.
David Samuel Barr
2023-11-14 14:23:48 UTC
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I don't know how you know the particular content
of what was shipped to Blish. I have nearly every
official reference work on Star Trek history
published since 1968 (which include reproductions
of the early show bibles and volumes of internal
memos) and don't ever recall coming across "The
Vulcan" in any of them, though if you can cite an
actual reference I'd certainly check it out.
I did not know Blish; I knew the other two pretty well. The expression
"The Vulcan" for the name of Spock's planet made it into the adaptation
of "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," but I think I've mentioned that already.
Again, it's in Kirk's dialogue when he introduces Capt. Christopher to
Spock, and they've just done the bit about "little green men."
I can't add anything past this.
It's actually a bit later than that point, when
they're past that introduction and Kirk et al
are discussing what to do about getting back to
their own time as well as what to do about
Christopher.

"Mr. Spock here tells me that he is half Vulcan.
Surely you can reach Vulcan from here. That’s
supposed to be just inside the orbit of Mercury.”
“There is no such solar planet as Vulcan,” Kirk
said. “Mr. Spock’s father was a native of The Vulcan,
which is a planet of 40 Eridani. Of course we could
reach that too…”

My point, which you snipped along with most of
my text, is that "The Vulcan" was likely Blish's
own error which Bantam's editor didn't yet know
enough to fix or, less likely, an error by D.C.
Fontana in the draft script from which Blish
worked which was deleted from the final filmed
version. I've never found it in any of the
"initial source materials" for the show that have
been released. And it still doesn't support the
idea that our planet's name is "The Earth" rather
than "Earth".

(Along that same line, Kirk's [and Christopher's]
title is "Captain" even though he is routinely
referred to throughout the series in third-person
as "the Captain". He is not "The Captain Kirk".)
Louis Epstein
2023-11-14 21:01:03 UTC
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Can't quote because of the charset issue,
but could there have been an unpreserved
stage of the text,poorly revised to what
is quoted,that said "the Vulcan homeworld
is a planet of 40 Eridani"?

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2023-11-14 16:26:45 UTC
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I don't know how you know the particular content
of what was shipped to Blish. I have nearly every
official reference work on Star Trek history
published since 1968 (which include reproductions
of the early show bibles and volumes of internal
memos) and don't ever recall coming across "The
Vulcan" in any of them, though if you can cite an
actual reference I'd certainly check it out.
I did not know Blish; I knew the other two pretty well. The expression
"The Vulcan" for the name of Spock's planet made it into the adaptation
of "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," but I think I've mentioned that already.
Again, it's in Kirk's dialogue when he introduces Capt. Christopher to
Spock, and they've just done the bit about "little green men."
I can't add anything past this.
I never understood how they had Roman gods.
Adam H. Kerman
2023-11-10 13:52:51 UTC
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Those we-never-landed-on-the-moon! clowns seem by 2023 to have had their silliness silenced for good. Thank Zeus the late Borman lived to see it.
On the other hand, I still don't believe we landed on Mars. Elliot
Gould and Rossi nailed it. As did Telly Savalas.
(and how come it's "The Moon" and not "The Mars"?)
Mars is the name of a Roman god. If we used the name of the goddess moon
Selene, no "the".

Etymologically, the word is derived from the word for "month", from the
Wikipedia page. Can that possibly be right? I thought it was the other
way around.
David Carson
2023-11-10 14:28:02 UTC
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Etymologically, the word is derived from the word for "month", from the
Wikipedia page. Can that possibly be right? I thought it was the other
way around.
Maybe you were thinking that Monday was derived from moon, which it
was.

David Carson
Adam H. Kerman
2023-11-10 14:58:48 UTC
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Etymologically, the word is derived from the word for "month", from the
Wikipedia page. Can that possibly be right? I thought it was the other
way around.
Maybe you were thinking that Monday was derived from moon, which it
was.
No, I wasn't thinking about Monday, which is obviously a compound word.

Spending a few more seconds, I read other pages in which the words for
the celestial object and passage of time grew up together. Originally,
the passage of time being measured was between new moons.
David Carson
2023-11-09 23:28:35 UTC
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As commander of Apollo 8, the late Borman was one of the first three humans to leave the immediate vicinity of Earth.
For my money, Apollo 8 was a bolder mission than even the understandably-more-celebrated Apollo 11 seven months later, which of course even those uninterested in the space race know was the first landing mission. Borman, Jim Lovell and Bill Anders's collective feat for NASA--and on behalf of all humanity--earned them Time magazine's designation as Men of the Year, and their Genesis-quoting Christmas Eve 1968 telecast from lunar orbit was by any standard one of the most indelible moments of the 20th Century.
I think that as far as a feat of human accomplishment, Apollo 8 was
more significant simply because it was so far beyond the scale of
anything previously done.
Apollo 8 was the last living 3-man crew, which is unexpected because
it was the first and had two of the oldest men in it.
I guess 7 was first, but they have all died.
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Jim Lovell, 95, Apollo 8 & 13
Buzz Aldrin, 93 Apollo 11
Thomas Stafford, 93, Apollo 10
David Scott, 91, Apollo 9 and 15
Bill Anders, 90, Apollo 8
Fred Haise, 89, Apollo 13
Harrison Schmitt, 88, Apollo 17
Charles Duke, 88, Apollo 16
Russell Schweickart, 88, Apollo 9
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