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Zebra escapee shot dead in Rostock, Germany
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l***@yahoo.com
2019-10-03 19:29:08 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they tried to use one. Poor thing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065



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Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-03 21:52:18 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
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2019-10-03 21:56:06 UTC
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2019-10-04 00:34:39 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
I doubt it. Zebras are not like horses and are likely to react more
aggressively when lassoed than a horse. Many a lion comes off second
best from a kick to the face. There's a reason zebras were never
domesticated.
Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-04 01:34:16 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
I doubt it. Zebras are not like horses and are likely to react more
aggressively when lassoed than a horse. Many a lion comes off second
best from a kick to the face. There's a reason zebras were never
domesticated.
Lassoos are used on wild animals. The point I'm making is that somebody
at the circus is supposed to be able to capture an animal that escapes,
given how common that is.
Meteorite Debris
2019-10-04 20:48:24 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.com
No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
I doubt it. Zebras are not like horses and are likely to react more
aggressively when lassoed than a horse. Many a lion comes off second
best from a kick to the face. There's a reason zebras were never
domesticated.
Lassoos are used on wild animals. The point I'm making is that somebody
at the circus is supposed to be able to capture an animal that escapes,
given how common that is.
You do not understand the mindset. Potential legal liability from injury
from a member of the public or allow it to be taken out with extreme
prejudice by the authorities and write off the circus nag. It's a
business.
mongo
2019-10-04 22:05:47 UTC
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You do not understand the mindset. Potential legal liability from injury
from a member of the public or allow it to be taken out with extreme
prejudice by the authorities and write off the circus nag. It's a
business.
Is it even Zebra shooting season in Germany? Do I need a license? How many can I bag before I'm over the limit? Are unicorns still off-limits?
Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-04 22:29:00 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
I doubt it. Zebras are not like horses and are likely to react more
aggressively when lassoed than a horse. Many a lion comes off second
best from a kick to the face. There's a reason zebras were never
domesticated.
Lassoos are used on wild animals. The point I'm making is that somebody
at the circus is supposed to be able to capture an animal that escapes,
given how common that is.
You do not understand the mindset. Potential legal liability from injury
from a member of the public or allow it to be taken out with extreme
prejudice by the authorities and write off the circus nag. It's a
business.
It's a zebra, not a big cat. You step out of its way. They're not going
to eat you.
Meteorite Debris
2019-10-05 22:18:00 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
I doubt it. Zebras are not like horses and are likely to react more
aggressively when lassoed than a horse. Many a lion comes off second
best from a kick to the face. There's a reason zebras were never
domesticated.
Lassoos are used on wild animals. The point I'm making is that somebody
at the circus is supposed to be able to capture an animal that escapes,
given how common that is.
You do not understand the mindset. Potential legal liability from injury
from a member of the public or allow it to be taken out with extreme
prejudice by the authorities and write off the circus nag. It's a
business.
It's a zebra, not a big cat. You step out of its way. They're not going
to eat you.
Animals want their personal space. If they feeel cornered they will
react aggressively. A zebra in a backyard meeting anyone and not seeing
an immediate escape route will kick and bite. These are not domesticated
horses.
Meteorite Debris
2019-10-04 00:38:50 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.

FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-04 01:32:40 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.com
No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
RH Draney
2019-10-04 08:49:18 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
Ever see a circus with vegetables?...I wouldn't waste my time on it....r
Meteorite Debris
2019-10-04 20:44:42 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 21:52:18 -0000 (UTC) that great scribe Adam H. Kerman
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Post by l***@yahoo.com
No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
Ever see a circus with vegetables?...I wouldn't waste my time on it....r
Ever seen a circus with dwarves and other freaks performing against
their will? I wouldn't waste my time on it.
Meteorite Debris
2019-10-04 20:43:01 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
It is possible I am biased in favour of treating animals humanely and
with dignity. So yes.
Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-04 22:22:33 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
It is possible I am biased in favour of treating animals humanely and
with dignity. So yes.
No, you're not. You're just biased and shot off your mouth without evidence
that the escaped animals were mistreated in any way.

Dignity? I've seen animals dressed in undignified costumes, but they
don't care as they don't have any such concept.
Meteorite Debris
2019-10-05 22:14:19 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
It is possible I am biased in favour of treating animals humanely and
with dignity. So yes.
No, you're not. You're just biased and shot off your mouth without evidence
that the escaped animals were mistreated in any way.
Dignity? I've seen animals dressed in undignified costumes, but they
don't care as they don't have any such concept.
The place for animals is in their natural habitat. Instead a circus
animal spends its time in a cage except when being tortured, err I mean
trained, or being humiliated in front of hundreds of people for their
freak show amusement. Elephants being made to stupid things. Not too far
from the pyramid building of naked prisoners in Abu Gab in Baghdad. Or
lions being being "trained" by a whip wielding performer who stands
exactly at the boundary of personal territory distance, a distance at
which animals and humans feel uncomfortable. That must be good for Leo's
cortisone level leading to all sorts of health problems. Poor Leo moves
from one confined cage to another bigger cage to "perform" freak show
style and if it all goes pare shape a sharp shooter will terminate the
business investment with extreme prejudice.

Hint: Animals perform best in their natural element, their habitat.
Louis Epstein
2019-10-06 14:38:07 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
It is possible I am biased in favour of treating animals humanely and
with dignity. So yes.
Be that as it may,if there are no animal acts a performing
troupe has no business being called a circus!

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-10-06 23:30:47 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
It is possible I am biased in favour of treating animals humanely and
with dignity. So yes.
Be that as it may,if there are no animal acts a performing
troupe has no business being called a circus!
I'll let Cirque du Soleil know. I'm sure they'll change their
name the minute they hear what you said.
I doubt it,they've been misrepresenting themselves for a long time.
bill
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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
b***@shaw.ca
2019-10-06 23:49:23 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
It is possible I am biased in favour of treating animals humanely and
with dignity. So yes.
Be that as it may,if there are no animal acts a performing
troupe has no business being called a circus!
I'll let Cirque du Soleil know. I'm sure they'll change their
name the minute they hear what you said.
I doubt it,they've been misrepresenting themselves for a long time.
Have you considered the possibility that times have changed,
that using animals in circuses is no longer considered humane,
and that circuses have changed with the times?

Circuses have been around for thousands of years, and in Roman
times -- when the name "circus" originated -- the circus "acts"
were chariot races and gladiatorial combat, sometimes to the death.

The circuses of your childhood, with animal acts and clowns squeezed
into small cars, date from the late 18th century and were a far cry
from Roman circuses, but they were still called circuses.

Now they're changing again, but as Cirque du Soleil illustrates,
the name remains the same.

bill
David Carson
2019-10-07 00:06:10 UTC
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Circuses have been around for thousands of years, and in Roman
times -- when the name "circus" originated -- the circus "acts"
were chariot races and gladiatorial combat, sometimes to the death.
In Rome, the circus was the venue where various kinds of unrelated events
were held ... like our stadium or auditorium.
Louis Epstein
2019-10-07 04:33:55 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
It is possible I am biased in favour of treating animals humanely and
with dignity. So yes.
Be that as it may,if there are no animal acts a performing
troupe has no business being called a circus!
I'll let Cirque du Soleil know. I'm sure they'll change their
name the minute they hear what you said.
I doubt it,they've been misrepresenting themselves for a long time.
Have you considered the possibility that times have changed,
that using animals in circuses is no longer considered humane,
and that circuses have changed with the times?
Unless people have an opportunity to be face to face with animals
removed from their habitats,they will stop caring about them...
out of sight,out of mind.These days CGI can create animals as
interesting as anything on a nature program.
No zoos or animal acts=no widespread interest in keeping animals alive.
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Circuses have been around for thousands of years, and in Roman
times -- when the name "circus" originated -- the circus "acts"
were chariot races and gladiatorial combat, sometimes to the death.
The circuses of your childhood, with animal acts and clowns squeezed
into small cars, date from the late 18th century and were a far cry
from Roman circuses, but they were still called circuses.
Now they're changing again, but as Cirque du Soleil illustrates,
the name remains the same.
Letting words change destroys understanding.
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bill
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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
b***@shaw.ca
2019-10-07 05:18:18 UTC
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No explanation as to why the tranquilizer gun didn't work - IF they
tried to use one. Poor thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49914065
What a horrifying story. No one at the circus could use a lassoo?
Being a circus animal it is safe to assume that his treatment would have
been less than ideal. If a traumatised zebra is approached by a human
that may well make it even more difficult.
FWIW animals have no place in circuses.
Wow. You're not biased or anything.
It is possible I am biased in favour of treating animals humanely and
with dignity. So yes.
Be that as it may,if there are no animal acts a performing
troupe has no business being called a circus!
I'll let Cirque du Soleil know. I'm sure they'll change their
name the minute they hear what you said.
I doubt it,they've been misrepresenting themselves for a long time.
Have you considered the possibility that times have changed,
that using animals in circuses is no longer considered humane,
and that circuses have changed with the times?
Unless people have an opportunity to be face to face with animals
removed from their habitats,they will stop caring about them...
out of sight,out of mind.These days CGI can create animals as
interesting as anything on a nature program.
No zoos or animal acts=no widespread interest in keeping animals alive.
There are still zoos, but they tend to provide habitats that prevent
the animals from becoming neurotic. There are countless nature
documentaries on television that give us way more information
on animals than we ever had before. And there are animal rights
organizations that concern themselves with the conditions we
provide for food and domestic animals.

I'd say that these days we get way more information about animals
than we've had in centuries, and we don't need old-fashioned zoos
or circus animal acts that depend on punishment and intimidation
to develop empathy for wild animals. It would be helpful, though,
if countries such as Brazil and Indonesia could be talked out of
burning millions of acres of rain forest to create more grazing
land for cattle.
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Circuses have been around for thousands of years, and in Roman
times -- when the name "circus" originated -- the circus "acts"
were chariot races and gladiatorial combat, sometimes to the death.
The circuses of your childhood, with animal acts and clowns squeezed
into small cars, date from the late 18th century and were a far cry
from Roman circuses, but they were still called circuses.
Now they're changing again, but as Cirque du Soleil illustrates,
the name remains the same.
Letting words change destroys understanding.
That is utter bullshit. Language and words change. Nobody has
control over that process.'

bill
That Derek
2019-10-04 12:39:25 UTC
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Ever see a circus with vegetables?
Does popcorn count as a vegetable?

Of course, there's meat at circuses! What are they going to feed carnivorous animals like lions?

A vegetarian/vegan circus might work for animal-less circuses like Cirque du Soleil. Can you imagine their front-man with that stagy Pepe le Pew/Robert Clary French accent amending his opening: "At Circus du Soleil we do not use NOR EAT zee animulls!"
That Derek
2019-10-06 16:40:27 UTC
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When I was six or seen, I had a fascination with zebras, my then favourite animal. My family went to a Disney retread double-bill which included one of its earlier efforts "Swiss Family Robinson"(I forgot the other film).

In this movie, there's a scene where two guys and a girl rescue a trapped zebra sinking in quicksand. These young adults adopt the zebra as a pet and return to the family's treehouse compound with the girl riding aback the zebra, arriving just in time for the family's Christmas Eve celebrations. There was music and dancing and all sorts of merriment -- but without the zebra!

I inquired of my mother "Where's the zebra?" Mom replied "They can't get that beast up the tree!" Yes, I still remember that my worcestershire-born mother using the word "beast," a terminology more common in the UK.

However ...

From nature/animal documentaries, I later learned the dynamic that zebras do not have the temperament nor the musculature to allow people, especially adults, ride on their backs. That was no zebra ... that was a horse with painted black stripes thereupon." (I'm sure that constitutes animal cruelty subjecting an animal to be painted).

Walt Disney lied to me! (Uncle Walt was still alive when this film was made).

Imagine Walt Disney lying to America !!!
RH Draney
2019-10-07 07:48:00 UTC
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From nature/animal documentaries, I later learned the dynamic that zebras do not have the temperament nor the musculature to allow people, especially adults, ride on their backs. That was no zebra ... that was a horse with painted black stripes thereupon." (I'm sure that constitutes animal cruelty subjecting an animal to be painted).
Turtles don't seem to mind it...and I've long ceased to be surprised
that hermit crabs will choose to clad themselves in the most gaudy and
undignified shells from among those available....r

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