Complete List of Non-Confidential Cryopreserved Alcor Patients

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Dave P.

2023-11-11 04:03:42 UTC

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2023-11-11 08:47:41 UTC

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Much appreciate this list, Dave; from time to time I wonder collectively about all these late folks, not merely Sir .406 Ted Williams.

I'm not necessarily a pessimist by nature, but I'm as certain without being in a position to KNOW (and none of us are, of course),
that these folks are dead and ain't comin' back, no matter what sorts of exotic Klaatu-style technologies are developed in succeeding centuries.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

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2023-11-11 15:37:37 UTC

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While I don't expect any of these freeze-dried folk to ever be reanimated, that is not because I doubt the possibility of successfully preserving frozen people. Rather, it's because they're already dead by the time Alcor or any other firm chills them down.

HOWEVER, I do imagine it just may be possible sometime to do this if they were frozen prior to their demise. The cell-damage problem that we're told now is unavoidable may indeed someday be solved--perhaps with some futuristic whiz-bang biochemical solution you're immersed in first--and just maybe it would work. But ONLY if the Alcor client--I think "patient" is the wrong term to apply--wasn't already dead, on my firmly-held premise that NOBODY has EVER come back from the dead.

Including Christ in my view, not to mention all those I-was-dead-for-an-hour-on-the-operating-table! talk-show guests. (I don't doubt that their doctors may have THOUGHT they were gone, but what really happened was that the death process [medicine now tells us that death isn't an event but rather a extended process of shutting down the body] hadn't been completed, and they managed to pull out of it.

All of which raises this question: has any seriously-ill (and Alcor-intrigued) person ever pushed to be deep-frozen BEFORE their death?

I imagine Alcor would turn down any such request for a host of legal reasons. But that does seem to me to be the only hope one would have of being thawed in the 22nd Century (or 23rd, or even 31st), and then successfully revived after whichever future cure to their disease is effectuated. (Presuming Alcor doesn't go bankrupt in the meantime and have the power to their client cylinders turned off, bringing all those frozen heads and corpses to, er, room temperature.)

Besides, as Woody Allen's character found out in "Sleeper", being reanimated is a mixed-bag. (Though it would be nice to wake up to Diane Keaton in ANY century.)

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

danny burstein

2023-11-11 15:42:08 UTC

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Besides, as Woody Allen's character found out in "Sleeper", being reanimate=
d is a mixed-bag. (Though it would be nice to wake up to Diane Keaton in A=
NY century.)

Or... to Erin Gray. Or even better, Princess Ardala!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Rogers_in_the_25th_Century_(TV_series)

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Louis Epstein

2023-11-21 04:36:33 UTC

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Post by ***@gmail.com
While I don't expect any of these freeze-dried folk to ever be reanimated, that is not because I doubt the possibility of successfully preserving frozen people. Rather, it's because they're already dead by the time Alcor or any other firm chills them down.
HOWEVER, I do imagine it just may be possible sometime to do this if they were frozen prior to their demise. The cell-damage problem that we're told now is unavoidable may indeed someday be solved--perhaps with some futuristic whiz-bang biochemical solution you're immersed in first--and just maybe it would work. But ONLY if the Alcor client--I think "patient" is the wrong term to apply--wasn't already dead, on my firmly-held premise that NOBODY has EVER come back from the dead.
Including Christ in my view, not to mention all those I-was-dead-for-an-hour-on-the-operating-table! talk-show guests. (I don't doubt that their doctors may have THOUGHT they were gone, but what really happened was that the death process [medicine now tells us that death isn't an event but rather a extended process of shutting down the body] hadn't been completed, and they managed to pull out of it.
All of which raises this question: has any seriously-ill (and
Alcor-intrigued) person ever pushed to be deep-frozen BEFORE their death?
I imagine Alcor would turn down any such request for a host of legal reasons.

The preservation methods typically involve the injection of
lethal chemicals so doing so would effectively be murder.
The preferred method is to start the freezing process
IMMEDIATELY after death,while the person is still so close
to being alive that they could have been resuscitated had
a different course of action been chosen (but without the
prognosis that this could have kept them alive).

Post by ***@gmail.com
But that does seem to me to be the only hope one would have of
being thawed in the 22nd Century (or 23rd, or even 31st), and then
successfully revived after whichever future cure to their disease is
effectuated. (Presuming Alcor doesn't go bankrupt in the meantime and have
the power to their client cylinders turned off, bringing all those frozen
heads and corpses to, er, room temperature.)

Alcor of course does not have a monopoly.
The Cryonics Institute (see https://cryonics.org/ for details)
has lots of people in its cryostats in the Erfurt-Runkel Building
in Michigan (including,besides Messrs. Erfurt and Runkel,the
founder Robert Ettinger,his mother,and both his wives).

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Besides, as Woody Allen's character found out in "Sleeper", being reanimated
is a mixed-bag. (Though it would be nice to wake up to Diane Keaton in ANY
century.)

I have long wondered if that film (which I have never seen) was in any
sense a parody of my favorite science fiction novel (which perhaps
attained that status thanks to my reading it at the right early age),
DEADLY IMAGE by Edmund Cooper (which I understand was once adapted
into a serial for Swiss television that I have never seen).
The protagonist is in charge of a site freezing food to serve
survivors of a prospective nuclear war,and while he is doing an
inspection of a nearly complete repository the war happens already
and he is left frozen from 1967 (hey,we missed that war) to 2113,
when he is awakened in a Britain largely controlled by androids who
he overthrows.

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2023-11-21 10:40:50 UTC

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Post by Louis Epstein
The Cryonics Institute (see https://cryonics.org/ for details)
has lots of people in its cryostats in the Erfurt-Runkel Building
in Michigan (including,besides Messrs. Erfurt and Runkel,the
founder Robert Ettinger,his mother,and both his wives).

I believe it was Mr. Ettinger who came up with "Many are cold, but few
are frozen."