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Hyon Song-wol, Kim Jong-un's ex-girlfriend, reported excuted by firing squad (unconfirmed)
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Bermuda999
2013-08-29 09:58:33 UTC
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Did Kim Jong-Un Have the 'Excellent Horse-Like Lady' Singer Executed?
By Adam Martin
New York Magazine
Friday at 2:16 AM

Only one news outlet is reporting that Kim Jong-un's ex-girlfriend (and once-rumored wife) Hyon Song-wol, known for her song 'Excellent Horse-Like Lady,' was arrested and then executed along with fellow musicians earlier this month. But it's a big news outlet: Chosun Ilbo is one of South Korea's main daily papers, with a circulation of 2.3 million. That of course doesn't prove or disprove the report, but at least this is more than a Twitter rumor.

Chosun's story cites unnamed sources in China, who said Hyon was one of a dozen members of the Unhasu Orchestra and Wangjaesan Light Music Band who were arrested on Aug. 17, accused of filming themselves having sex, distributing the tapes in North Korea and China, and also possessing Bibles. The source said they were killed by machine gun in front of their families, who were then sent to labor camps.

The Chosun Ilbo article includes one bit of background detail that suggests this might (might!) be more than a whole-cloth rumor: Since Kim's father, Kim Jong-il, ordered him to stop dating Hyon, who he met a decade ago, "there have been rumors that the two were having an affair." Kim's actual wife, Ri Sol-ju, used to perform in the Unhasu Orchestra as well as Hyon. The paper notes, "Whether she had any hand in the executions is unclear."

Frustratingly, when dealing with news from inside the closed state, it's both impossible to fully believe anonymously sourced reports such as this one, and often impossible to obtain anything more concrete.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/08/did-kim-jong-un-have-his-ex-girlfriend-executed.html
Bermuda999
2013-08-30 06:05:22 UTC
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Did Kim Jong-Un Have the 'Excellent Horse-Like Lady' Singer Executed?
By Adam Martin
New York Magazine
Friday at 2:16 AM
Only one news outlet is reporting that Kim Jong-un's ex-girlfriend (and once-rumored wife) Hyon Song-wol, known for her song 'Excellent Horse-Like Lady,' was arrested and then executed along with fellow musicians earlier this month. But it's a big news outlet: Chosun Ilbo is one of South Korea's main daily papers, with a circulation of 2.3 million. That of course doesn't prove or disprove the report, but at least this is more than a Twitter rumor.
Chosun's story cites unnamed sources in China, who said Hyon was one of a dozen members of the Unhasu Orchestra and Wangjaesan Light Music Band who were arrested on Aug. 17, accused of filming themselves having sex, distributing the tapes in North Korea and China, and also possessing Bibles. The source said they were killed by machine gun in front of their families, who were then sent to labor camps.
The Chosun Ilbo article includes one bit of background detail that suggests this might (might!) be more than a whole-cloth rumor: Since Kim's father, Kim Jong-il, ordered him to stop dating Hyon, who he met a decade ago, "there have been rumors that the two were having an affair." Kim's actual wife, Ri Sol-ju, used to perform in the Unhasu Orchestra as well as Hyon. The paper notes, "Whether she had any hand in the executions is unclear."
Frustratingly, when dealing with news from inside the closed state, it's both impossible to fully believe anonymously sourced reports such as this one, and often impossible to obtain anything more concrete.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/08/did-kim-jong-un-have-his-ex-girlfriend-executed.html
Still unconfirmed -- "reportedly", "allegedly", "according to reports" except for the Chosun Ilbo article with unnamed sources.
Bermuda999
2013-08-31 17:21:01 UTC
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World Leaders Who Killed Their Lovers
Melody Kramer
National Geographic
Published August 30, 2013


It's good to be the king. It's sometimes less good to be the king's paramour.

From England's Henry VIII, who notoriously had several of his wives beheaded in the 16th century, to current North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un, who may or may not have had his ex-girlfriend killed last week, rulers around the world and throughout history have sometimes used their executive powers to execute ... well, their exes.

A South Korean English-language newspaper called The Chosun Ilbo reported this week that Kim Jong-un's ex-girlfriend, the singer Hyon Song-wol—who was best known for her song "Excellent Horse-Like Lady"—was executed by firing squad on August 20.

Song-wol, the paper reported, was one of the dozen members of the Unhasu Orchestra and Wangjaesan Light Music Band who were arrested and then executed inside the repressive police state for allegedly violating pornography rules and possessing Bibles.

It's impossible to know for sure whether the killings did or did not take place, since Chosun Ilbo's report is anonymously sourced and no other media outlets have independently corroborated it (though news outlets around the world have picked up the story).

Chosun Ilbo wrote that "Kim Jong-un has been viciously eliminating anyone who he deems a challenge to his authority."

That description would certainly apply to earlier leaders who offed former lovers.

Dangerous Liaisons

Nero, the Roman emperor from 54 to 68 AD, reportedly ordered the death of his mother, poisoned his stepbrother, banished his first wife, and then kicked his second wife to death—all while ruling Rome with a tyrannical fist.

Claudius, Nero's predecessor, married four times, killing his third wife Valeria Messalina, who has been described as "ruthless, predatory, and sexually insatiable." But that reputation has been challenged by modern historians, who note that such accusations against Messalina may have been constructed to displace her children in the imperial succession.

Don't think this list of murdered exes is entirely composed of women, however.

Cleopatra, the queen of Egypt, married several of her brothers, including Ptolemy XIV—who she then had poisoned—to have his nephew and her son, Ptolemy XV Caesarion, ascend to the throne. (I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge Twitter user cidmonster, who led me to this bit of information.)

But the most notorious spouse-killer of them all was most definitely a man: Henry VIII, whose murderous proclivities inspired the mnemonic "divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived" to keep track of his six wives.

Both Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard—wives two and five, respectively—met their end at the guillotine, after being accused of committing treason.

Surely there are more. Who are we forgetting?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130830-kings-execution-royalty-henry-kim-jung-un-north-korea/?google_editors_picks=true
Brad Ferguson
2013-08-31 19:54:55 UTC
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From England's Henry VIII, who notoriously had several of his wives beheaded
Several > two.
Kenny McCormack
2013-08-31 20:01:11 UTC
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From England's Henry VIII, who notoriously had several of his wives beheaded
Several > two.
Indeed. It seems like, of all those mentioned (the various Romans, Cleo,
etc), Henry actually did the least amount of killing.

Curiously, that's usually how things work. The more you kill, the less
notorious you are. This is because once you get past two, you become not a
human, but a monster. And we don't hold monsters as accountable as we do
those we still consider human.
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Brad Ferguson
2013-08-31 21:10:39 UTC
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From England's Henry VIII, who notoriously had several of his wives beheaded
Several > two.
Indeed. It seems like, of all those mentioned (the various Romans, Cleo,
etc), Henry actually did the least amount of killing.
Curiously, that's usually how things work. The more you kill, the less
notorious you are. This is because once you get past two, you become not a
human, but a monster. And we don't hold monsters as accountable as we do
those we still consider human.
As Charlie Chaplin said in Monsieur Verdoux, "Numbers sanctify."
Bermuda999
2013-08-31 21:58:43 UTC
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Post by Bermuda999
From England's Henry VIII, who notoriously had several of his wives beheaded
Several > two.
"Both Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard—wives two and five, respectively—met their end at the guillotine, after being accused of committing treason."

Neither were beheaded by a guillotine, but rather by sword.

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