Discussion:
DEAD - Kerry's campaign
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Bud
2004-09-02 15:36:02 UTC
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Or so it would appear.
J. J. Levin
2004-09-02 15:46:52 UTC
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Post by Bud
Or so it would appear.
During the Democratic convention in Boston, it "appeared" as though the Bush
campaign was dead. The news people concentrated on the conventions in both
cases, ignoring much of what the other side had to say.

The Kerry campaign is alive and well. The GOP has had its lovefest, screaming
"moderation" every chance they got and comparing Bush to Churchill (I kid you
not!). I guess the 4,000 idiots in Madison Square Garden swallowed that one too.

Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.

Jay
Rob Petrie
2004-09-02 17:09:41 UTC
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Post by J. J. Levin
Post by Bud
Or so it would appear.
During the Democratic convention in Boston, it "appeared" as though the
Bush campaign was dead. The news people concentrated on the conventions in
both cases, ignoring much of what the other side had to say.
The Kerry campaign is alive and well. The GOP has had its lovefest,
screaming "moderation" every chance they got and comparing Bush to
Churchill (I kid you not!). I guess the 4,000 idiots in Madison Square
Garden swallowed that one too.
Now the real campaign will start.
May the best Democrat win.
You inadvertantly said something more significant than your
light-hearted dig at W. in favor of Kerry.
W. (and his Repub. Congress) has increased discretionary spending
(9%/year) at the HIGHEST rate since LBJ in his "Great Society" years.
Higher than Clinton, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Ford, or Nixon.
Let's all give a great, big cheer to George "Lyndon Baines" Bush on
his sterling, yet- unrecognized-by-the-people accomplishment.

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Harry Krause
2004-09-03 02:46:47 UTC
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The only reason it’s a "two-party" system is because the Democrats and
Republicans don’t want any competition--and they get to set the rules
Badnik ain't competition, he's just a stalking horse for Bush...
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King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-02 18:54:43 UTC
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Post by J. J. Levin
The Kerry campaign is alive and well. The GOP has had its lovefest,
screaming "moderation" every chance they got and comparing Bush to
Churchill (I kid you not!).
...Oxfordshire has just suffered a major earthquake. The epicenter has
been determined to be directly under Sir Winston's grave marker...
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David Carson
2004-09-02 19:18:41 UTC
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Post by J. J. Levin
Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
BuccaneerJuan
2004-09-02 20:33:22 UTC
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Post by J. J. Levin
Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
Neither is Bill Clinton, but that doesn't keep you rightists from mentioning
him in every third paragraph.


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Harry Krause
2004-09-02 20:34:06 UTC
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Post by J. J. Levin
Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
Miller is a Dixiecrat, not a Democrat. And he's just a bit manic. I
wonder who wrote that speech for him...he's sort of been out of it for a
couple of years.
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Hyfler/Rosner
2004-09-02 21:30:40 UTC
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Post by Harry Krause
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:46:52 GMT, "J. J. Levin"
Post by J. J. Levin
Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat
win.
Post by Harry Krause
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
Miller is a Dixiecrat, not a Democrat. And he's just a bit
manic. I
Post by Harry Krause
wonder who wrote that speech for him...he's sort of been
out of it for a
Post by Harry Krause
couple of years.
Even Cheney made mention of his, um, fervor. Miller only
referred to Bush as "Commander in Chief" I kept waiting for
him to trip up and say Commandant.He only talked about the
role of the army in our society. And how soldiers have
given us all the freedoms we have. (You listening, Rosa
Parks?) When he complained about Kerry's 'maniacal
obsession with bringing down our Commander in Chief,' I
laughed out loud. It's called an election. Happens every 4
years.

He was out of his mind. You can have him.
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-02 23:33:06 UTC
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Post by Hyfler/Rosner
He was out of his mind. You can have him.
...a friend of mine who lost both of her grandparents to Alzheimer's tells
me Miller has been exhibiting a lot of the early signs of that disease
lately...
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King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 00:14:53 UTC
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Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
...a friend of mine who lost both of her grandparents to Alzheimer's
tells me Miller has been exhibiting a lot of the early signs of that
disease lately...
...clarifying -- she lost both paternal grandparents to the disease...
--
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Erik L.
2004-09-03 04:28:20 UTC
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From: "King Daevid MacKenzie"
..a friend of mine who lost both of her grandparents to Alzheimer's tells
me Miller has been exhibiting a lot of the early signs of that disease
lately...
You left wingers are the scum of the earth.




Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 14:04:25 UTC
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Post by Erik L.
You left wingers are the scum of the earth.
...at least scum serves a biological purpose, as opposed to whatever form
_you_ are...
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Jeff George
2004-09-03 16:19:35 UTC
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Post by Erik L.
From: "King Daevid MacKenzie"
..a friend of mine who lost both of her grandparents to Alzheimer's tells
me Miller has been exhibiting a lot of the early signs of that disease
lately...
You left wingers are the scum of the earth.
You're pathetic.
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The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-03 02:37:51 UTC
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Hyfler/Rosner wrote:
<snip>And how soldiers have given us all the freedoms we have. (You
listening, Rosa
Parks?)<snip>

IMHO, Amelia, you're confusing freedom with civil rights. Without
establishing freedom first, there can never be civil rights for anyone
anywhere, regardless of race, creed, or religious persuasion. Never mind
Rosa Parks, there's been a lot of Black-American soldiers who have made
the ultimate sacrifice on the fields of battle in our Nation's history
as well, whose names we most likely never knew, or we can't remember.
Those men's sacrifices made her later act of defiance possible, so that
the civil rights movement could gain momentum. If the Allies had lost
WWII, it wouldn't have mattered what color someone was in this Country,
we would have all been in the same boat of oppression. I believe
Miller's statement was a correct one. He may have been very charismatic
in his delivery of that speech, but he wasn't all that far off base in
its content.
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Hyfler/Rosner
2004-09-03 03:05:21 UTC
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Post by The Kentucky Wizard
<snip>And how soldiers have given us all the freedoms we
have. (You
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
listening, Rosa
Parks?)<snip>
IMHO, Amelia, you're confusing freedom with civil rights.
Without
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
establishing freedom first, there can never be civil
rights for anyone
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
anywhere, regardless of race, creed, or religious
persuasion. Never mind
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
Rosa Parks, there's been a lot of Black-American soldiers
who have made
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
the ultimate sacrifice on the fields of battle in our
Nation's history
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
as well, whose names we most likely never knew, or we
can't remember.
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
Those men's sacrifices made her later act of defiance
possible, so that
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
the civil rights movement could gain momentum. If the
Allies had lost
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
WWII, it wouldn't have mattered what color someone was in
this Country,
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
we would have all been in the same boat of oppression. I
believe
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
Miller's statement was a correct one. He may have been
very charismatic
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
in his delivery of that speech, but he wasn't all that far
off base in
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
its content.
Sorry, Wiz. This doesn't make much sense. Read it again,
think about it, and read some history. It helps. Honest,
it does.
The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-03 04:59:51 UTC
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Post by Hyfler/Rosner
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
<snip>And how soldiers have given us all the freedoms we have. (You
listening, Rosa
Parks?)<snip>
IMHO, Amelia, you're confusing freedom with civil rights. Without
establishing freedom first, there can never be civil rights for anyone
anywhere, regardless of race, creed, or religious persuasion. Never mind
Rosa Parks, there's been a lot of Black-American soldiers who have made
the ultimate sacrifice on the fields of battle in our Nation's history
as well, whose names we most likely never knew, or we can't remember.
Those men's sacrifices made her later act of defiance possible, so that
the civil rights movement could gain momentum. If the Allies had lost
WWII, it wouldn't have mattered what color someone was in this Country,
we would have all been in the same boat of oppression. I believe
Miller's statement was a correct one. He may have been very
charismatic
in his delivery of that speech, but he wasn't all that far off base in
its content.
Sorry, Wiz. This doesn't make much sense. Read it again,
think about it, and read some history. It helps. Honest,
it does.
I don't need to read it again, I wrote it, and I am very familiar with
American history. We just don't agree, that's all it is, and that's
cool.
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Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 07:33:35 UTC
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Post by The Kentucky Wizard
Post by Hyfler/Rosner
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
<snip>And how soldiers have given us all the freedoms we have. (You
listening, Rosa
Parks?)<snip>
IMHO, Amelia, you're confusing freedom with civil rights. Without
establishing freedom first, there can never be civil rights for anyone
anywhere, regardless of race, creed, or religious persuasion. Never mind
Rosa Parks, there's been a lot of Black-American soldiers who have made
the ultimate sacrifice on the fields of battle in our Nation's history
as well, whose names we most likely never knew, or we can't remember.
Those men's sacrifices made her later act of defiance possible, so that
the civil rights movement could gain momentum. If the Allies had lost
WWII, it wouldn't have mattered what color someone was in this Country,
we would have all been in the same boat of oppression. I believe
Miller's statement was a correct one. He may have been very charismatic
in his delivery of that speech, but he wasn't all that far off base in
its content.
Sorry, Wiz. This doesn't make much sense. Read it again,
think about it, and read some history. It helps. Honest,
it does.
I don't need to read it again, I wrote it, and I am very familiar with
American history.
Oh, yeah? Did you know FDR wanted to go to war (don't believe Laura
Bush who said the opposite the other night) so the U.S. could bail out his
Socialist buddy, Joe Stalin after Hitler invaded on June 22, 1941, plus help
his distant cousin Winston Churchill?
Did you know Lincoln didn't give a s**t about the black man and slavery
[*] and only used the Emancipation Proclamation (2 full years after the war
started) as a WAR WEAPON for propaganda purposes and to make a moral
statement to keep England from supporting the South, and to stop Northern
soldiers from quitting en masse?

[*] Lincoln is on the written record as wanting to ship the black man back
to Africa to "solve" the problem.
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
We just don't agree, that's all it is, and that's cool.
You also don't know the truth unless you dig a little deeper than the
depthless History (among other subjects) taught in school, and it isn't your
fault you were lied to by the Government Edu-crats who own and run the
school systems 90+% of the U.S. population is forced to attend by Compulsory
Attendance laws until at least 16.
If the schools are so damned wonderful and good then why does the
Government (U.S. and States) compel attendance from the age of 5 until at
least the age of 16 (17 in some States, IIRC)?
BTW, there were NO (repeat, NO) compulsory attendance laws in any of
the States until the mid-1850s, and the citizens in the U.S. were among the
most educated and literate of anybody in the world in those days.
doc
2004-09-03 08:07:54 UTC
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Post by Rob Petrie
Oh, yeah? Did you know FDR wanted to go to war (don't believe Laura
Bush who said the opposite the other night) so the U.S. could bail out
his Socialist buddy, Joe Stalin after Hitler invaded on June 22, 1941,
plus help his distant cousin Winston Churchill?
Yea, FDR and Uncle Joe were bosom buddies who often vacationed together in
Nantucket. Give me a bloody break! FDR was no socialist, you
historically-challenged pilgrim. He was an astute politician who saw the
mood of the country and adeptly managed to preserve the principles of
constitutional government by coopting the agendas of the more radical,
anti-democratic movements in the country who had garnered significant
support during the worst of the Great Depression. He could have cared less
about Joe Stalin or the Soviet Union, at least until the War began.

He was personally very fond of Churchill, but he abandoned his friend to
fight the Nazis alone until political circumstances produced an electoral
mandate for American intervention. And, despite their rapport, he excluded
Churchill rather coldly at Yalta, largely because the British Empire had
ceased to be a credible player in international politics.

FDR was a great man in every sense of the word, but he was a foremostly a
master political strategist and a rather deft and artful opportunist. His
fundamental principles rested mostly on the preservation of the American
political, economic and social establishment. He was not a rigid ideologue
about anything above the survival of the country as a democratic republic.

I've seen you go down this road before, Petrie, and I just don't know why
you insist on demonizing FDR. He was no libertarian, to be sure.
Libertarians, by definition, are rigid ideologues. However, that doesn't
give the Libertarians carte blanche to be indifferent to history.

The principles of civil liberty you hold so precious would not exist if FDR
had proved unsuccessful and the government had succumbed to any of one of
the fascist, socialist or communist movements so wildly popular at the
time. Indeed, do you think Huey Long would have been so scrupulous about
preserving The Bill of Rights? Inquiring minds want to know...
James Neibaur
2004-09-03 11:45:37 UTC
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Post by doc
I've seen you go down this road before, Petrie, and I just don't know why
you insist on demonizing FDR
I agree with what you're saying, Doc, but I had to laugh when you called Roy
by the name "Petrie" which he uses in his sig as a tribute to Dick Van Dyke.

JN
Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 12:10:23 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by doc
I've seen you go down this road before, Petrie, and I just don't know why
you insist on demonizing FDR
I agree with what you're saying, Doc, but I had to laugh when you called Roy
by the name "Petrie" which he uses in his sig as a tribute to Dick Van Dyke.
Jim, it's *YOUR* fault people on this ng know my correct first name.
So, if I have to blame anybody for not remaining anonymous on that
point--it's you.
Therefore, please don't ridicule somebody else for not knowing (or
hasn't been astute enough to pick up that piece of info. yet).
Let ME do the ridicule of 'Doc'. [who could very well be a Dr. in real
life, but that's another topic on how that profession is riddled with
staidness and a refusal to pick up on new ideas until years after others of
that profession have proven them wrong.]
Bill Schenley
2004-09-03 17:02:48 UTC
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Post by Rob Petrie
Post by James Neibaur
I agree with what you're saying, Doc, but I had to
laugh when you called Roy by the name "Petrie"
which he uses in his sig as a tribute to Dick Van
Dyke.
Jim, it's *YOUR* fault people on this ng know my
correct first name. So, if I have to blame anybody
for not remaining anonymous on that
point--it's you.
No, Roy, it's *your* fault people on this NG know your real name.
Never mind the part about who *you* told privately ... but it was
*you* who told the entire NG that your name was "Roy."
Terrymelin
2004-09-03 17:25:29 UTC
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Boy, Bill Clinton even manages to upstage Kerry with his health. This will
probably lose Kerry another 5-6 days of notice.

Terry Ellsworth
James Neibaur
2004-09-03 17:37:10 UTC
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Post by Rob Petrie
Jim, it's *YOUR* fault people on this ng know my correct first name.
So, if I have to blame anybody for not remaining anonymous on that
point--it's you.
I call you by your correct name because -- well -- it's your name. Did you
expect me to suddenly start calling you Rob? Come on.

JN

James Neibaur
2004-09-03 11:42:21 UTC
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Post by Rob Petrie
You also don't know the truth unless you dig a little deeper than the
depthless History (among other subjects) taught in school
You come off as a tiny little man railing against all of the things that
(literally or figuratively) pushed you around all your life. Simply blaming
the government or the American educational system for the fact that you're
not where you expected to be by age 50 is a little too pat.

JN
Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 12:45:04 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by Rob Petrie
You also don't know the truth unless you dig a little deeper than the
depthless History (among other subjects) taught in school
You come off as a tiny little man railing against all of the things that
(literally or figuratively) pushed you around all your life. Simply blaming
the government or the American educational system for the fact that you're
not where you expected to be by age 50 is a little too pat.
You just continue to believe what you want to believe, but I assure
you your conclusion is not accurate in the least.
And as you must be aware (but maybe you just want to ignore) there
are millions of others who ARE where they wanted to be, and they know and
express the same disgust and the same ideas at the old pols the same as I
do--if not stronger or better in their writing or speech.
Fair enough, Mr. Educator?
Read Thomas Fleming's book, "The New Dealers WAR: FDR and the War
Within World War II" (2001) for a more accurate portrayal of FDR on other
points of his character and qualities he showed and not just this great
speaker on the radio people solely judge him by today.
BTW, FDR was so economically illiterate, he told Treasury Sec. Henry
Morgenthau how he was seting the daily gold price: (paraphrasing now but
with the accurate idea) "I pick out my favorite numbers."
FDR was an anti-Semite, too.
Why do you think FDR turned away hundreds of Jewish refugees fleeing
Europe on The U.S.S. St. Louis from the shores of Miami and safety (in 1939)
instead forcing them to re-dock in Europe and many to death in the
concentration camps?
The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-02 20:59:39 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:46:52 GMT, "J. J. Levin"
Post by J. J. Levin
Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go at it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious. Here is the
transcript of their "confrontation", but it doesn't really tell the
whole story.

MATTHEWS: Joe Scarborough, thank you.

Let me go now to the—go right now. We‘re going to joined right now as
we speak, and stop speaking, with Zell Miller, the man who made the
speech.

Senator, thank you. You have...

(BOOING)

MATTHEWS: Well, don‘t listen to them. Don‘t listen to those people.

We want to hear from you, Senator.

Senator, let me ask you.

MATTHEWS: I want to ask you about the most powerful line in your
speech. And it had so many.

“No pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.”

Do you believe that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy really only believe in
defending America with spitballs?

MILLER: Well, I certainly don‘t believe they want to defend America by
putting the kind of armor and the kind of equipment that we have got to
have out there for our troops. I mean, nothing could be clearer than
that, than what John Kerry did when he voted against that $87 billion in
appropriations, that would have provided protective armor for our troops
and armored vehicles.

MATTHEWS: All right, let me ask you. Senator, you are the expert.
Many times, as a conservative Republican, you have had to come out on
the floor and obey party whips and vote against big appropriations
passed by the Democrats when they were in power.

You weren‘t against feeding poor people. You weren‘t against Social
Security. You weren‘t against a lot of programs that, because of the
nature of parliamentary procedure and combat, you had to vote against
the whole package. Didn‘t you many times vote against whole packages of
spending, when you would have gladly gone for a smaller package?

MILLER: Well, I didn‘t make speeches about them and I didn‘t put them
in my platform.

Right here is what John Kerry put out as far as his U.S. Senate
platform, was, he was talking about he wanted to cancel the M.X.
missile, the B-1 bomber, the anti-satellite system. This is not voting
for something that was in a big bill.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Which of those systems was effective in either Afghanistan

or Iraq? The M.X. certainly wasn‘t, thank God, nor was the other

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: Look, this is front and—wait, this is front and back, and it‘s
two pages. I have got more documentation here than they have got in the
New York Public Library and the Library of Congress.

MATTHEWS: OK.

MILLER: I knew you was going to be coming with all of that stuff.

And I knew that these people from the Kerry campaign would be coming
with all this kind of stuff.

That‘s just baloney. Look at the record. A man‘s record is what he is.

MATTHEWS: I agree.

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: A man‘s campaign rhetoric—what?

MATTHEWS: I‘m just asking you, Senator, do you mean to say—I know there‘s
rhetoric in campaigns. I just want to know, do you mean to say that you
really believe that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy do not believe in
defending the country?

MILLER: Well, look at their votes.

MATTHEWS: I‘m just asking you to bottom-line it for me.

MILLER: Wait a minute. I said I didn‘t question their patriotism.

MATTHEWS: No. Do you believe that they don‘t believe in defending the
country?

MILLER: I question their judgment.

What?

MATTHEWS: Do you believe they want to defend the country?

MILLER: Look, I applaud what John Kerry did as far as volunteering to
go to Vietnam. I applaud what he did when he volunteered for combat. I
admire that, and I respect that. And I acknowledge that. I have said
that many, many times.

MATTHEWS: Right.

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: But I think his record is atrocious.

MATTHEWS: Well, let me ask you, when Democrats come out, as they often
do, liberal Democrats, and attack conservatives, and say they want to
starve little kids, they want to get rid of education, they want to kill
the old people...

MILLER: I am not saying that. Wait a minute.

MATTHEWS: That kind of rhetoric is not educational, is it?

MILLER: Wait a minute.

Now, this is your program. And I am a guest on your program.

MATTHEWS: Yes, sir.

MILLER: And so I want to try to be as nice as I possibly can to you. I
wish I was over there, where I could get a little closer up into your
face.

MILLER: But I don‘t have to stand here and listen to that kind of
stuff. I didn‘t say anything about not feeding poor kids. What are you
doing?

MATTHEWS: No, I‘m saying that when you said tonight—I just want you
to...

MILLER: Well, you are saying a bunch of baloney that didn‘t have

anything to do with what I said up there on the

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: No, no.

MATTHEWS: OK. Do you believe now—do you believe, Senator, truthfully,
that John Kerry wants to defend the country with spitballs? Do you
believe that?

MILLER: That was a metaphor, wasn‘t it? Do you know what a metaphor
is?

MATTHEWS: Well, what do you mean by a metaphor?

MILLER: Wait a minute. He certainly does not want to defend the
country with the B-1 bomber or the B-2 bomber or the Harrier jet or the
Apache helicopter or all those other things that I mentioned. And there
were even more of them in here.

You‘ve got to quit taking these Democratic talking points and using what
they are saying to you.

MATTHEWS: No, I am using your talking points and asking you if you
really believe them.

MILLER: Well, use John Kerry‘s talking points from the—from what he has
had to say on the floor of the Senate, where he talked about them being
occupiers, where he put out this whenever he was running for the U.S.
Senate about what he wanted to cancel. Cancel to me means to do away
with.

MATTHEWS: Well, what did you mean by the following.

MILLER: I think we ought to cancel this interview.

MATTHEWS: Well, I don‘t mean...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Well, that would be my loss, Senator. That would be my loss.

Let me ask you about this, because I think you have a view on the role
of reporters in the world. You have said and it has often been said so
truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us
the freedom of the press. Was there not...

MILLER: Do you believe that?

MATTHEWS: Well, of course it‘s true.

MILLER: Do you believe that?

MATTHEWS: But it‘s a statement that nobody would have challenged. Why
did you make it? It seems like no one would deny what you said. So
what‘s your point?

MILLER: Well, it evidently got a rise out of you.

MATTHEWS: Well, I think it‘s a

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: Because you are a reporter.

MATTHEWS: That‘s right.

MILLER: You didn‘t have anything to do with freedom of the press.

MATTHEWS: Well, you could argue it was not nurses who defended the
freedom of nursing. Why did you single out freedom of the press to say
it was the soldiers that defended it and not the reporters? We all know
that. Why did you say it?

MILLER: Well, because I thought it needed to be said at this particular
time, because I wanted to come on...

MATTHEWS: Because you could get an applause line against the media at a
conservative convention.

MILLER: No, I said it because it was—you‘re hopeless. I wish I was
over there.

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: In fact, I wish that we lived in—I wish we lived in the

day

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: I‘ve got to warn you, we are in a tough part of town over
here.

MATTHEWS: But I do recommend you come over, because I like you.

Let me tell you this.

MILLER: Chris.

MATTHEWS: If a Republican Senator broke ranks and—all right, I‘m sorry.

A Republican Senator broke ranks and came over and spoke for the
Democrats, would you respect him?

MILLER: Yes, of course I would.

MATTHEWS: Why?

MILLER: I have seen that happen from time to time. Look, I believe...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: What does Jim Jeffords say to you?

MILLER: Wait a minute.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Jim Jeffords switched parties after getting elected.

MILLER: If you‘re going to ask a question...

MATTHEWS: Well, it‘s a tough question. It takes a few words.

MILLER: Get out of my face.

MILLER: If you are going to ask me a question, step back and let me
answer.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: Senator, please.

MILLER: You know, I wish we...

MILLER: I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person
to a duel.

MILLER: Now, that would be pretty good.

Don‘t ask me—don‘t pull that...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Can you can come over? I need you, Senator. Please come
over.

MILLER: Wait a minute. Don‘t pull that kind of stuff on me, like you
did that young lady when you had her there, browbeating her to death. I
am not her. I am not her.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Let me tell you, she was suggesting that John Kerry purposely
shot himself to win a medal. And I was trying to correct the record.

MILLER: You get in my face, I am going to get back in your face.

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: The only reason you are doing it is because you are standing
way over there in Herald Square.

MATTHEWS: Senator, Senator, can I speak softly to you? I would really
like you to...

MILLER: What? No, no, no, because you won‘t give me a chance to
answer. You ask these questions and then you just talk over what I am
trying to answer, just like you did that woman the other day.

MATTHEWS: Well, Senator...

MILLER: I don‘t know why I even came on this program.

MATTHEWS: Well, I am glad you did.

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this about John Kerry‘s war record.

MILLER: Well, are you going to shut up after you ask me?

MILLER: Or are you going to give me a chance to answer it?

MATTHEWS: Yes, sir.

MATTHEWS: I am going to give you a chance to answer.

You used very strong words tonight about the Democratic candidate, much
stronger than you are using with me. And they will be remembered a lot
longer than anything you say to me now. So I am not really worried
about what you say now, except that this country was promised unity
after the last election by the president that you are supporting. And
he urged the country to come together. Do you think you helped that
cause tonight?

MILLER: I think I helped the cause of trying to tell the American
people why John Kerry is unfit for the presidency and why we need to
keep George W. Bush in as the president, because it‘s the way that we
can keep this nation more secure and my family more safe.

MATTHEWS: Did I ask you about your role in the Democratic Party,
because you have caused such a hit tonight, because you are a man of the
Democratic Party? Long before this election, you had to watch as a
Southern conservative the nomination by your party of people like George
McGovern, Fritz Mondale, Jimmy Carter, liberal after liberal after
liberal, including Mike Dukakis, perhaps the most liberal of them all.
What caused you to cross the aisle tonight?

MILLER: By coming to Washington and seeing firsthand what a mess it is
and how far out the Senate Democrats are.

They are off the chart as far as being with the mainstream of America.
I think the straw that broke the camel‘s back was the homeland security
measure, when, time after time, John Kerry and the Democrats put
collective bargaining above homeland security. That did it for me.

MATTHEWS: Well, that did it for Max Cleland as well, didn‘t it?

MILLER: It surely did. And probably Jean Carnahan.

And nobody is to blame, except—well, they are to blame because they
voted that way. But who is really to blame is Tom Daschle for insisting
that they do it 11 times over a four-months period. It was dumb.

MATTHEWS: And, well, you could argue that it was politically dumb of
Max Cleland to support the labor unions in Georgia against what looked
like the national interests. My question is, is it good for America to
impugn that vote as a vote against the security of this country?

MILLER: That vote was not impugned. He did not get defeated because of
that ad that you like to talk about. You can‘t vote with Tom Daschle 85
percent of the time and be expected to be able to be reelected in
Georgia. You know that much about Georgia and the South.

MATTHEWS: Well, sir, I also know the—and I completely agree with the
need to get reelected as a statesman. Jefferson said the first order of
a statesman was to get elected.

I am just wondering if you think tonight‘s speech and advertisements
that show people like Max Cleland standing next to Saddam Hussein are
helping bring this country together?

MILLER: That didn‘t have anything to do with Max Cleland‘s defeat.

We have already—we have already beat that dog to death.

MATTHEWS: Well, maybe the war did that, too.

But thank you very much for coming here tonight. I hope we can have a
more civil conversation in closer terms. I would love you to come
tonight. In fact, you can meet with Joe Scarborough, who will probably
be nicer to you.

MATTHEWS: But we will both try to get the truth out of the
conversation.

And I feel bad that you are upset with me, Senator. I have never had
this kind of a fight with you before.

MILLER: I know it.

MATTHEWS: I think you misheard me. But please come over tomorrow
night. We‘ve got a convention ending.

And, by the way, you will help our ratings tremendously if you come over
tomorrow night, because everybody thinks you are going to beat me up.

MATTHEWS: But since somebody tried to do that last night, I don‘t think
it‘s going to be a surprise.

WATTS: Hey, Chris, can I say

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: J.C. Watts wants to talk to you, Senator.

MILLER: All right.

WATTS: Hey, Senator, this is J.C. Watts.

MILLER: Hey, J.C.

WATTS: You can put your feet under my dinner table any day of the week.

(LAUGHTER)

MILLER: Thank you. Thank you.

MATTHEWS: Well, I guess everybody loves the senator.

MILLER: Good to be with you.

MATTHEWS: Hey, it‘s great having you on. Let‘s be friends. Let‘s be
friends.

MILLER: See you later.

MATTHEWS: Thank you.

Well, that was unexpected turn of events.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: I simply wanted him to say again in the vernacular what he
said on that stage. And I think we all agreed here, didn‘t we? Stick
by me here.
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Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go at it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious. Here is the
transcript of their "confrontation", but it doesn't really tell the whole
story.
I saw it. It was good theater, but didn't tell us anything new we did
not know before.
I liked the line Sen. Miller said in his speech on Kerry's apparent
flip-flopping on various issues, "Sen. Kerry has a fight with himself."
[paraphrasing]
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MATTHEWS: Joe Scarborough, thank you.
Let me go now to the—go right now. We‘re going to joined right now as we
speak, and stop speaking, with Zell Miller, the man who made the speech.
Senator, thank you. You have...
(BOOING)
MATTHEWS: Well, don‘t listen to them. Don‘t listen to those people.
We want to hear from you, Senator.
Senator, let me ask you.
MATTHEWS: I want to ask you about the most powerful line in your speech.
And it had so many.
“No pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.”
Do you believe that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy really only believe in
defending America with spitballs?
MILLER: Well, I certainly don‘t believe they want to defend America by
putting the kind of armor and the kind of equipment that we have got to
have out there for our troops. I mean, nothing could be clearer than
that, than what John Kerry did when he voted against that $87 billion in
appropriations, that would have provided protective armor for our troops
and armored vehicles.
MATTHEWS: All right, let me ask you. Senator, you are the expert. Many
times, as a conservative Republican, you have had to come out on the floor
and obey party whips and vote against big appropriations passed by the
Democrats when they were in power.
You weren‘t against feeding poor people. You weren‘t against Social
Security. You weren‘t against a lot of programs that, because of the
nature of parliamentary procedure and combat, you had to vote against the
whole package. Didn‘t you many times vote against whole packages of
spending, when you would have gladly gone for a smaller package?
MILLER: Well, I didn‘t make speeches about them and I didn‘t put them in
my platform.
Right here is what John Kerry put out as far as his U.S. Senate platform,
was, he was talking about he wanted to cancel the M.X. missile, the B-1
bomber, the anti-satellite system. This is not voting for something that
was in a big bill.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Which of those systems was effective in either Afghanistan
or Iraq? The M.X. certainly wasn‘t, thank God, nor was the other
(CROSSTALK)
MILLER: Look, this is front and—wait, this is front and back, and it‘s
two pages. I have got more documentation here than they have got in the
New York Public Library and the Library of Congress.
MATTHEWS: OK.
MILLER: I knew you was going to be coming with all of that stuff.
And I knew that these people from the Kerry campaign would be coming with
all this kind of stuff.
That‘s just baloney. Look at the record. A man‘s record is what he is.
MATTHEWS: I agree.
(CROSSTALK)
MILLER: A man‘s campaign rhetoric—what?
MATTHEWS: I‘m just asking you, Senator, do you mean to say—I know there‘s
rhetoric in campaigns. I just want to know, do you mean to say that you
really believe that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy do not believe in defending
the country?
MILLER: Well, look at their votes.
MATTHEWS: I‘m just asking you to bottom-line it for me.
MILLER: Wait a minute. I said I didn‘t question their patriotism.
MATTHEWS: No. Do you believe that they don‘t believe in defending the
country?
MILLER: I question their judgment.
What?
MATTHEWS: Do you believe they want to defend the country?
MILLER: Look, I applaud what John Kerry did as far as volunteering to go
to Vietnam. I applaud what he did when he volunteered for combat. I
admire that, and I respect that. And I acknowledge that. I have said
that many, many times.
MATTHEWS: Right.
(CROSSTALK)
MILLER: But I think his record is atrocious.
MATTHEWS: Well, let me ask you, when Democrats come out, as they often
do, liberal Democrats, and attack conservatives, and say they want to
starve little kids, they want to get rid of education, they want to kill
the old people...
MILLER: I am not saying that. Wait a minute.
MATTHEWS: That kind of rhetoric is not educational, is it?
MILLER: Wait a minute.
Now, this is your program. And I am a guest on your program.
MATTHEWS: Yes, sir.
MILLER: And so I want to try to be as nice as I possibly can to you. I
wish I was over there, where I could get a little closer up into your
face.
MILLER: But I don‘t have to stand here and listen to that kind of stuff.
I didn‘t say anything about not feeding poor kids. What are you doing?
MATTHEWS: No, I‘m saying that when you said tonight—I just want you to...
MILLER: Well, you are saying a bunch of baloney that didn‘t have
anything to do with what I said up there on the
(CROSSTALK)
MILLER: No, no.
MATTHEWS: OK. Do you believe now—do you believe, Senator, truthfully,
that John Kerry wants to defend the country with spitballs? Do you
believe that?
MILLER: That was a metaphor, wasn‘t it? Do you know what a metaphor is?
MATTHEWS: Well, what do you mean by a metaphor?
MILLER: Wait a minute. He certainly does not want to defend the country
with the B-1 bomber or the B-2 bomber or the Harrier jet or the Apache
helicopter or all those other things that I mentioned. And there were
even more of them in here.
You‘ve got to quit taking these Democratic talking points and using what
they are saying to you.
MATTHEWS: No, I am using your talking points and asking you if you really
believe them.
MILLER: Well, use John Kerry‘s talking points from the—from what he has
had to say on the floor of the Senate, where he talked about them being
occupiers, where he put out this whenever he was running for the U.S.
Senate about what he wanted to cancel. Cancel to me means to do away
with.
MATTHEWS: Well, what did you mean by the following.
MILLER: I think we ought to cancel this interview.
MATTHEWS: Well, I don‘t mean...
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Well, that would be my loss, Senator. That would be my loss.
Let me ask you about this, because I think you have a view on the role of
reporters in the world. You have said and it has often been said so
truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the
freedom of the press. Was there not...
MILLER: Do you believe that?
MATTHEWS: Well, of course it‘s true.
MILLER: Do you believe that?
MATTHEWS: But it‘s a statement that nobody would have challenged. Why
did you make it? It seems like no one would deny what you said. So what‘s
your point?
MILLER: Well, it evidently got a rise out of you.
MATTHEWS: Well, I think it‘s a
(CROSSTALK)
MILLER: Because you are a reporter.
MATTHEWS: That‘s right.
MILLER: You didn‘t have anything to do with freedom of the press.
MATTHEWS: Well, you could argue it was not nurses who defended the
freedom of nursing. Why did you single out freedom of the press to say it
was the soldiers that defended it and not the reporters? We all know
that. Why did you say it?
MILLER: Well, because I thought it needed to be said at this particular
time, because I wanted to come on...
MATTHEWS: Because you could get an applause line against the media at a
conservative convention.
MILLER: No, I said it because it was—you‘re hopeless. I wish I was over
there.
(CROSSTALK)
MILLER: In fact, I wish that we lived in—I wish we lived in the
day
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: I‘ve got to warn you, we are in a tough part of town over here.
MATTHEWS: But I do recommend you come over, because I like you.
Let me tell you this.
MILLER: Chris.
MATTHEWS: If a Republican Senator broke ranks and—all right, I‘m sorry.
A Republican Senator broke ranks and came over and spoke for the
Democrats, would you respect him?
MILLER: Yes, of course I would.
MATTHEWS: Why?
MILLER: I have seen that happen from time to time. Look, I believe...
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: What does Jim Jeffords say to you?
MILLER: Wait a minute.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Jim Jeffords switched parties after getting elected.
MILLER: If you‘re going to ask a question...
MATTHEWS: Well, it‘s a tough question. It takes a few words.
MILLER: Get out of my face.
MILLER: If you are going to ask me a question, step back and let me
answer.
(LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: Senator, please.
MILLER: You know, I wish we...
MILLER: I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to
a duel.
MILLER: Now, that would be pretty good.
Don‘t ask me—don‘t pull that...
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Can you can come over? I need you, Senator. Please come over.
MILLER: Wait a minute. Don‘t pull that kind of stuff on me, like you did
that young lady when you had her there, browbeating her to death. I am
not her. I am not her.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Let me tell you, she was suggesting that John Kerry purposely
shot himself to win a medal. And I was trying to correct the record.
MILLER: You get in my face, I am going to get back in your face.
(CROSSTALK)
MILLER: The only reason you are doing it is because you are standing way
over there in Herald Square.
MATTHEWS: Senator, Senator, can I speak softly to you? I would really
like you to...
MILLER: What? No, no, no, because you won‘t give me a chance to answer.
You ask these questions and then you just talk over what I am trying to
answer, just like you did that woman the other day.
MATTHEWS: Well, Senator...
MILLER: I don‘t know why I even came on this program.
MATTHEWS: Well, I am glad you did.
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this about John Kerry‘s war record.
MILLER: Well, are you going to shut up after you ask me?
MILLER: Or are you going to give me a chance to answer it?
MATTHEWS: Yes, sir.
MATTHEWS: I am going to give you a chance to answer.
You used very strong words tonight about the Democratic candidate, much
stronger than you are using with me. And they will be remembered a lot
longer than anything you say to me now. So I am not really worried about
what you say now, except that this country was promised unity after the
last election by the president that you are supporting. And he urged the
country to come together. Do you think you helped that cause tonight?
MILLER: I think I helped the cause of trying to tell the American people
why John Kerry is unfit for the presidency and why we need to keep George
W. Bush in as the president, because it‘s the way that we can keep this
nation more secure and my family more safe.
MATTHEWS: Did I ask you about your role in the Democratic Party, because
you have caused such a hit tonight, because you are a man of the
Democratic Party? Long before this election, you had to watch as a
Southern conservative the nomination by your party of people like George
McGovern, Fritz Mondale, Jimmy Carter, liberal after liberal after
liberal, including Mike Dukakis, perhaps the most liberal of them all.
What caused you to cross the aisle tonight?
MILLER: By coming to Washington and seeing firsthand what a mess it is
and how far out the Senate Democrats are.
They are off the chart as far as being with the mainstream of America. I
think the straw that broke the camel‘s back was the homeland security
measure, when, time after time, John Kerry and the Democrats put
collective bargaining above homeland security. That did it for me.
MATTHEWS: Well, that did it for Max Cleland as well, didn‘t it?
MILLER: It surely did. And probably Jean Carnahan.
And nobody is to blame, except—well, they are to blame because they voted
that way. But who is really to blame is Tom Daschle for insisting that
they do it 11 times over a four-months period. It was dumb.
MATTHEWS: And, well, you could argue that it was politically dumb of Max
Cleland to support the labor unions in Georgia against what looked like
the national interests. My question is, is it good for America to impugn
that vote as a vote against the security of this country?
MILLER: That vote was not impugned. He did not get defeated because of
that ad that you like to talk about. You can‘t vote with Tom Daschle 85
percent of the time and be expected to be able to be reelected in Georgia.
You know that much about Georgia and the South.
MATTHEWS: Well, sir, I also know the—and I completely agree with the need
to get reelected as a statesman. Jefferson said the first order of a
statesman was to get elected.
I am just wondering if you think tonight‘s speech and advertisements that
show people like Max Cleland standing next to Saddam Hussein are helping
bring this country together?
MILLER: That didn‘t have anything to do with Max Cleland‘s defeat.
We have already—we have already beat that dog to death.
MATTHEWS: Well, maybe the war did that, too.
But thank you very much for coming here tonight. I hope we can have a
more civil conversation in closer terms. I would love you to come
tonight. In fact, you can meet with Joe Scarborough, who will probably be
nicer to you.
MATTHEWS: But we will both try to get the truth out of the conversation.
And I feel bad that you are upset with me, Senator. I have never had this
kind of a fight with you before.
MILLER: I know it.
MATTHEWS: I think you misheard me. But please come over tomorrow night.
We‘ve got a convention ending.
And, by the way, you will help our ratings tremendously if you come over
tomorrow night, because everybody thinks you are going to beat me up.
MATTHEWS: But since somebody tried to do that last night, I don‘t think
it‘s going to be a surprise.
WATTS: Hey, Chris, can I say
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: J.C. Watts wants to talk to you, Senator.
MILLER: All right.
WATTS: Hey, Senator, this is J.C. Watts.
MILLER: Hey, J.C.
WATTS: You can put your feet under my dinner table any day of the week.
(LAUGHTER)
MILLER: Thank you. Thank you.
MATTHEWS: Well, I guess everybody loves the senator.
MILLER: Good to be with you.
MATTHEWS: Hey, it‘s great having you on. Let‘s be friends. Let‘s be
friends.
MILLER: See you later.
MATTHEWS: Thank you.
Well, that was unexpected turn of events.
(LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: I simply wanted him to say again in the vernacular what he said
on that stage. And I think we all agreed here, didn‘t we? Stick by me
here.
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:46:52 GMT, "J. J. Levin"
Post by J. J. Levin
Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go at it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious. Here is the
transcript of their "confrontation", but it doesn't really tell the whole
story.
I saw it. It was good theater, but didn't tell us anything new we did
not know before.
I liked the line Sen. Miller said in his speech on Kerry's apparent
flip-flopping on various issues, "Sen. Kerry has a fight with
himself."
[paraphrasing]
<---Hey dense-dick, couldn't you have snipped it right
about......here?--->
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Post by J. J. Levin
Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go at it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious. Here is the
transcript of their "confrontation", but it doesn't really tell the whole
story.
I saw it. It was good theater, but didn't tell us anything new we did
not know before.
I liked the line Sen. Miller said in his speech on Kerry's apparent
flip-flopping on various issues, "Sen. Kerry has a fight with himself."
[paraphrasing]
<---Hey dense-dick, couldn't you have snipped it right
about......here?--->
No, POS, I wanted to save the conversation for my a.o. scrapbook.
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Post by The Kentucky Wizard
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:46:52 GMT, "J. J. Levin"
Post by J. J. Levin
Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go at it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious. Here is the
transcript of their "confrontation", but it doesn't really tell the whole
story.
I saw it. It was good theater, but didn't tell us anything new
we
did
not know before.
I liked the line Sen. Miller said in his speech on Kerry's apparent
flip-flopping on various issues, "Sen. Kerry has a fight with himself."
[paraphrasing]
<---Hey dense-dick, couldn't you have snipped it right
about......here?--->
No, POS, I wanted to save the conversation for my a.o. scrapbook.
Oh, ok then. Proceed.
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Here's a link to the interview.


Mark
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Here's a link to the interview.
Mark
Chris Matthews has had a bad week, he gets physically tackled by some
nut one night, and verbally thrashed about the next. I actually found
both events rather refreshing, Matthews needed to be taken down a notch
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Here's a link to the interview.
Mark
Chris Matthews has had a bad week, he gets physically
tackled by some
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nut one night, and verbally thrashed about the next. I
actually found
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both events rather refreshing, Matthews needed to be taken
down a notch
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or two.
Huh? I believe it was the other way around.
The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-03 04:57:06 UTC
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Here's a link to the interview.
Mark
Chris Matthews has had a bad week, he gets physically
tackled by some
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nut one night, and verbally thrashed about the next. I
actually found
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both events rather refreshing, Matthews needed to be taken
down a notch
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or two.
Huh? I believe it was the other way around.
I beg to differ.
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Here's a link to the interview.
Mark
Chris Matthews has had a bad week, he gets physically
tackled by some
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nut one night, and verbally thrashed about the next. I
actually found
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both events rather refreshing, Matthews needed to be taken
down a notch
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or two.
Huh? I believe it was the other way around.
I beg to differ.
We're not gonna give you a cent, you old windbag.
James Neibaur
2004-09-03 03:33:49 UTC
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Matthews needed to be taken down a notch
or two.
why?
The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-03 04:56:21 UTC
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Matthews needed to be taken down a notch
or two.
why?
Because watching Chris Matthews interview his guests, is like watching
an auctioneer go to work on the next item up for bid. He constantly
talking over his guests, and can't wait for the slightest pause in
someone's reply to insert either another question that's on his list, or
to insert his own opinion. I know that his show is driven that way for
that very reason, but I could never watch more than just a few minutes
of it at a time, before I start thinking of some medication that would
calm him down before he has a stroke. Bill O'Reilly is the same way, he
may ask a question, but he really doesn't give a shit what his guest's
answer is, and most likely couldn't even repeat what they had just said,
because he's only waiting to talk next instead. Larry King also doesn't
really give a shit what his guests have to say, he's just waiting for
10:00 pm to roll around, so he can take his check and go home to his
latest honey.

Now, Tim Russert, that's a guy that can conduct in informative
interview. When he is interviewing someone, you just know that both the
questions as well as the answers will be sound.

There are two kinds of people in this world; those who listen, and those
who can't wait to speak next. Matthews, O'Reilly and King all can't wait
to speak next, while Russert listens.
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Louisiana Lou
2004-09-03 10:37:11 UTC
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Matthews needed to be taken down a notch
or two.
why?
Because watching Chris Matthews interview his guests, is like watching
an auctioneer go to work on the next item up for bid. He constantly
talking over his guests, and can't wait for the slightest pause in
someone's reply to insert either another question that's on his list, or
to insert his own opinion. I know that his show is driven that way for
that very reason, but I could never watch more than just a few minutes
of it at a time, before I start thinking of some medication that would
calm him down before he has a stroke. Bill O'Reilly is the same way, he
may ask a question, but he really doesn't give a shit what his guest's
answer is, and most likely couldn't even repeat what they had just said,
because he's only waiting to talk next instead. Larry King also doesn't
really give a shit what his guests have to say, he's just waiting for
10:00 pm to roll around, so he can take his check and go home to his
latest honey.
Don't you mean "squeeze"? ;-)
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Now, Tim Russert, that's a guy that can conduct in informative
interview. When he is interviewing someone, you just know that both the
questions as well as the answers will be sound.
There are two kinds of people in this world; those who listen, and those
who can't wait to speak next. Matthews, O'Reilly and King all can't wait
to speak next, while Russert listens.
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The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-03 15:09:26 UTC
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Louisiana Lou wrote:
Larry King also doesn't
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really give a shit what his guests have to say, he's just waiting for
10:00 pm to roll around, so he can take his check and go home to his
latest honey.
Don't you mean "squeeze"? ;-)
That's probably a better way of putting it. :-)
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There are two kinds of people in this world; those who listen, and those
who can't wait to speak next. Matthews, O'Reilly and King all can't wait
to speak next, while Russert listens.
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What have you done w/ Bob Edwards? <g>
Bob left NPR in July to host "The Bob Edwards Show " on XM Satellite
Radio, but I wish to the stars and heaven above that he was still on
NPR's "Morning Edition". He comes back to Louisville on occasion and
shows up on the local news whenever he's here.
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2004-09-03 05:14:01 UTC
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Here's a link to the interview.
Mark
Chris Matthews has had a bad week, he gets physically tackled by some nut
one night, and verbally thrashed about the next. I actually found both
events rather refreshing, Matthews needed to be taken down a notch or two.
Michelle Malkin tackled him?
The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-03 05:42:23 UTC
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Here's a link to the interview.
Mark
Chris Matthews has had a bad week, he gets physically tackled by some nut
one night, and verbally thrashed about the next. I actually found both
events rather refreshing, Matthews needed to be taken down a notch or two.
Michelle Malkin tackled him?
No, not that nut, another nut.
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King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-02 23:41:25 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:59:39 GMT, The Kentucky Wizard
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Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go at it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious.
...I didn't see it, but Mike Malloy played it back on Air America last
night. I suspect it'll still seem comic until some revelation is made of
Miller's mental state, not unlike Wayne Hays appearing the buffoon until
his alcoholism came to public light...
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The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-03 02:49:31 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:59:39 GMT, The Kentucky Wizard
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go at it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious.
...I didn't see it, but Mike Malloy played it back on Air America last
night. I suspect it'll still seem comic until some revelation is made of
Miller's mental state, not unlike Wayne Hays appearing the buffoon until
his alcoholism came to public light...
Nah, there wasn't anything wrong with Miller, other than he couldn't
hear Matthews very good, and he was getting frustrated (and rightfully
so), over Matthews' asking him questions, and then talking over him at
the same time. Matthews his good at doing that, I seriously doubt he can
stand in front of a urinal to finish a piss without zipping his pants up
in mid-stream. Miller was just fine toward the end of the interview, and
was cordial and polite.
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Harry Krause
2004-09-03 02:52:15 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:59:39 GMT, The Kentucky Wizard
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go at it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious.
...I didn't see it, but Mike Malloy played it back on Air America last
night. I suspect it'll still seem comic until some revelation is made of
Miller's mental state, not unlike Wayne Hays appearing the buffoon until
his alcoholism came to public light...
Nah, there wasn't anything wrong with Miller, other than he couldn't
hear Matthews very good, and he was getting frustrated (and rightfully
so), over Matthews' asking him questions, and then talking over him at
the same time. Matthews his good at doing that, I seriously doubt he can
stand in front of a urinal to finish a piss without zipping his pants up
in mid-stream. Miller was just fine toward the end of the interview, and
was cordial and polite.
I thought Miller was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's, but I've thought
that about him for about two years.
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And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!
The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-03 03:07:07 UTC
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Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:59:39 GMT, The Kentucky Wizard
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go
at
it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious.
...I didn't see it, but Mike Malloy played it back on Air America last
night. I suspect it'll still seem comic until some revelation is
made
of
Miller's mental state, not unlike Wayne Hays appearing the buffoon until
his alcoholism came to public light...
Nah, there wasn't anything wrong with Miller, other than he couldn't
hear Matthews very good, and he was getting frustrated (and
rightfully
so), over Matthews' asking him questions, and then talking over him at
the same time. Matthews his good at doing that, I seriously doubt he can
stand in front of a urinal to finish a piss without zipping his pants up
in mid-stream. Miller was just fine toward the end of the interview, and
was cordial and polite.
I thought Miller was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's, but I've thought
that about him for about two years.
Given that logic, Harry, then Robert Byrd is in the last stages of
Alzheimer's....... uhmmmm, you may have a point. ;-)~
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2004-09-03 05:30:57 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:59:39 GMT, The Kentucky Wizard
Post by The Kentucky Wizard
Hey David, did you see Zell and Chris Matthews from "Hardball" go at it
after he gave his speech last night? It was hilarious.
...I didn't see it, but Mike Malloy played it back on Air America last
night. I suspect it'll still seem comic until some revelation is made of
Miller's mental state, not unlike Wayne Hays appearing the buffoon until
his alcoholism came to public light...
Nah, there wasn't anything wrong with Miller, other than he couldn't
hear Matthews very good, and he was getting frustrated (and rightfully
so), over Matthews' asking him questions, and then talking over him at
the same time. Matthews his good at doing that, I seriously doubt he can
stand in front of a urinal to finish a piss without zipping his pants up
in mid-stream. Miller was just fine toward the end of the interview, and
was cordial and polite.
I thought Miller was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's, but I've thought
that about him for about two years.
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Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
The Radical Republicans (and I'm sure some thoughtful Dem.'s) pushed for
the abolitionist movement.
Of course you hate Republicans today but you don't know squat about
Amer. History, so what do you care about liberals? Although the Founders
were the true liberals in the original meaning of the word (*against* Big
Government) and not the "liberals" in today's popular mindset since FDR and
the 1930s Big Government Revolution and then LBJ's "Great Society" programs
made welfare "entitlements" a new "right."
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And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!
I got news for you: the tax rates paid today by the lower- and
middle-classes are up to 6 TIMES higher what only the rich were supposed to
pay (1914 tax rates: 1% to 7%) before the Socialists got their hands on the
tax machinery in the "Progressive" Era and jacked-up the rates to as much as
91%, until JFK-LBJ lowered the top rate to 70% in the 1964 Tax Cut Act.
Do you believe JFK and LBJ were only for rich people, Harry, since
they pre-dated Reagan's 1981 tax cut (effective in 1982) by 17 full years?
And then in 1983, Reagan took back some of those "huge" tax cuts (for
rich people only, I'm sure) by repealing some popular deductions and (with
Alan Greenspan chairing the commission) *increased* the REGRESSIVE (i.e.,
mostly falling on the poor) Social Security Taxes you love so much.
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 14:11:06 UTC
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The Radical Republicans (and I'm sure some thoughtful Dem.'s) pushed for
the abolitionist movement.
...which was the end of their usefulness in American politics. After
Lincoln, they should have folded or faded into obscurity like the Whigs did.
Instead, they gave us such Presidents as Ulysses Grant, Warren Harding and
Dick Nixon -- hardly a stellar lineup...past Bob LaFollette, the Republicans
have contributed absolutely nothing useful to the American political
landscape...even Teddy Roosevelt saw the error of the Republican ways and
left to form the Bull Moose outfit...
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Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 14:33:03 UTC
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The Radical Republicans (and I'm sure some thoughtful Dem.'s) pushed
for
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the abolitionist movement.
...which was the end of their usefulness in American politics. After
Lincoln, they should have folded or faded into obscurity like the Whigs did.
Instead, they gave us such Presidents as Ulysses Grant, Warren Harding and
Dick Nixon -- hardly a stellar lineup...past Bob LaFollette, the Republicans
have contributed absolutely nothing useful to the American political
landscape...
Robert LaFollette, a 'Republican'??? Since when?
He ran on the "Progressive" party label for President in '24, from
WI, winning his Home State's 13 Electoral Votes and an impressive 16.6% of
the total vote nationwide.
http://presidentelect.org/e1924.html

even Teddy Roosevelt saw the error of the Republican ways and
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left to form the Bull Moose outfit...
T.R. just craved political power (as his cousin Franklin also did in
running 5 times for national office [VP losing candidate in '20]) and would
have done anything to be President again.
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 16:17:16 UTC
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past Bob LaFollette, the
[post-Lincoln] Republicans
have contributed absolutely nothing useful to the American political
landscape...
Robert LaFollette, a 'Republican'??? Since when?
...he was a Republican member of the House from 1885 to 1891, Republican
Governor of Wisconsin from 1901 to 1906, and Republican Senator from 1906 to
1924, when he broke from the Republicans and started the League for
Progressive Political Action. He returned to his Senate post after the 1924
Presidential campaign and died the following year while still in office...
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James Neibaur
2004-09-02 22:33:01 UTC
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Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
lol -- Touche.

I still contend this is going to be a very close race and the winner will
win by a margin of seven or less (after which Erik will owe me a bag of
Chips Ahoy and his very best regards).

I thought President Bush would squeak by with the win, but now I am not
sure. I was amazed at the number of protestors that came to Madison Square
Garden. Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and Nixon certainly had their share of
enemies, but I don't recall such massive throngs of protestors at their
conventions. This appeared to be even more passionate than Chicago in '68.

I don't know. I think Kerry has a shot. Not fired up about Kerry (I saw
Edwards speak recently and am much more impressed with him). But I think
Kerry has every bit as much a chance at victory as does the President.

This may be the most interesting Presidential race of our time. Pay
attention.

JN
Wendy Chatley Green
2004-09-02 23:26:12 UTC
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For some inexplicable reasons, James Neibaur <***@wi.rr.com>
wrote:

:I thought President Bush would squeak by with the win, but now I am not
:sure. I was amazed at the number of protestors that came to Madison Square
:Garden. Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and Nixon certainly had their share of
:enemies, but I don't recall such massive throngs of protestors at their
:conventions. This appeared to be even more passionate than Chicago in '68.

It's a sign of economic strength (or possibly of the success
of the welfare system that so many people can devote so much time to
protesting.
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James Neibaur
2004-09-03 00:09:09 UTC
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It's a sign of economic strength (or possibly of the success
of the welfare system that so many people can devote so much time to
protesting.
No, it's a sign that a whole bunch more people are dissatisfied with this
President than with the previous ones. Way more than I figured. I thought
it would just be a handful, like those ridiculous bobbing heads at
intersections who hold up pictures of dead babies. I was wrong. It was
tens of thousands of people.

JN
Hyfler/Rosner
2004-09-03 00:21:19 UTC
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Wendy Chatley Green
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It's a sign of economic strength (or possibly of the
success
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of the welfare system that so many people can devote so
much time to
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protesting.
No, it's a sign that a whole bunch more people are
dissatisfied with this
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President than with the previous ones. Way more than I
figured. I thought
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it would just be a handful, like those ridiculous bobbing
heads at
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intersections who hold up pictures of dead babies. I was
wrong. It was
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tens of thousands of people.
Hundreds of thousands.
James Neibaur
2004-09-03 00:52:13 UTC
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It was
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tens of thousands of people.
Hundreds of thousands.
And when hunderds of thousands of Americans protest the job your doing, I
can't imagine how that can be interpreted as success. Of course the easy
thing would be to say "all those hundreds of thousands of people are wrong."
It is what they used to say about the fifty million Beatle fans forty years
ago.

JN
Glitter Ninja
2004-09-03 01:02:48 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
And when hunderds of thousands of Americans protest the job your doing, I
can't imagine how that can be interpreted as success.
Apparently, if you squint your eyes and tilt your head, you can
interpret it as success because the protestors obviously are employed in
fabulous jobs that give them great benefits like time off, and that's all
Bush's doing.
Or the protestors are all Welfare layabouts with nothing better to do,
and of course people on Welfare don't have opinions that count.

See? Success. It's so simple!

And here I was mistakenly thinking that people were sacrificing
hard-earned time off, and more, by protesting, because they believed so
strongly in their cause. Thank goodness I was set straight.


Stacia * ***@xmission.com * The Glitter Ninja
Cthulhu for President 2004! Why settle for a lesser evil?
Brigid Nelson
2004-09-03 01:17:56 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
And when hunderds of thousands of Americans protest the job your doing, I
can't imagine how that can be interpreted as success.
Apparently, if you squint your eyes and tilt your head, you can
interpret it as success because the protestors obviously are employed in
fabulous jobs that give them great benefits like time off, and that's all
Bush's doing.
Or the protestors are all Welfare layabouts with nothing better to do,
and of course people on Welfare don't have opinions that count.
See? Success. It's so simple!
And here I was mistakenly thinking that people were sacrificing
hard-earned time off, and more, by protesting, because they believed so
strongly in their cause. Thank goodness I was set straight.
They're on unemployment, don't forget that we've lost 1 million jobs
during Bush's tenure.

brigid
Jeff George
2004-09-03 17:38:20 UTC
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Post by Brigid Nelson
They're on unemployment, don't forget that we've lost 1 million jobs
during Bush's tenure.
It's actually a few hundred thousand more than that. I wonder why the
right wing never mentions that?
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Power to the people! Vive le revolution!

"The greatest purveyor of violence on the planet is my own government."
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James Neibaur
2004-09-03 03:31:58 UTC
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Post by Glitter Ninja
Or the protestors are all Welfare layabouts with nothing better to do,
and of course people on Welfare don't have opinions that count.
See? Success. It's so simple!
Gee, how did I miss that? Live and learn

JN
Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 05:48:00 UTC
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It was
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tens of thousands of people.
Hundreds of thousands.
And when hunderds of thousands of Americans protest the job your doing, I
can't imagine how that can be interpreted as success. Of course the easy
thing would be to say "all those hundreds of thousands of people are wrong."
Oh, I'd say 45+ million votes come Election Day for Bush easily beats
hundreds of thousands of protesters 2 months earlier!
Remember the Nixon landslide in '72 after the numerous Vietnam
protests and riots in '70 and '71?
Post by James Neibaur
It is what they used to say about the fifty million Beatle fans forty years
ago.
The Beatles never ran for the Presidency of the United States.
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 12:01:47 UTC
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Post by Rob Petrie
Post by James Neibaur
It is what they used to say about the fifty million Beatle fans forty years
ago.
The Beatles never ran for the Presidency of the United States.
...well, there _was_ that draft effort that led to "Ringo for President"
;-) ...
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Erik L.
2004-09-03 12:23:18 UTC
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From: "King Daevid MacKenzie"
Post by Rob Petrie
The Beatles never ran for the Presidency of the United States.
Nothing gets by you.


Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
Erik L.
2004-09-03 04:22:17 UTC
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From: "Hyfler/Rosner"
Hundreds of thousands.
Put the bottle down Amelia.


Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
Hyfler/Rosner
2004-09-03 12:28:47 UTC
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From: "Hyfler/Rosner"
Hundreds of thousands.
Put the bottle down Amelia.
Are you talking about the rally on Sunday? The low estimate
was 200,000. The high estimate was 400,000.
Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 12:57:16 UTC
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From: "Hyfler/Rosner"
Hundreds of thousands.
Put the bottle down Amelia.
Are you talking about the rally on Sunday? The low estimate
was 200,000. The high estimate was 400,000.
Big deal!
In the anti-Vietnam War rallies those were typical estimates and the
U.S. population was significantly smaller in 1970 (almost 90 million less
people) than it is today in 2004.
Heck, even Woodstock had a better attendance record than the NYC
protests. :-)
Jeff George
2004-09-03 17:40:23 UTC
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From: "Hyfler/Rosner"
Hundreds of thousands.
Put the bottle down Amelia.
Are you talking about the rally on Sunday? The low estimate
was 200,000. The high estimate was 400,000.
Big deal!
So are you trying to downplay the anti-Bush sentiment in this country?
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Jeff George
SLAP (Socialist Liberation Army of the People)
SLUG (Socialists for Liberty United Government)

Monkeydent or chimp? You decide.
www.bushorchimp.com

Power to the people! Vive le revolution!

"The greatest purveyor of violence on the planet is my own government."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Erik L.
2004-09-03 16:42:21 UTC
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Post by Hyfler/Rosner
Are you talking about the rally on Sunday? The low estimate
was 200,000. The high estimate was 400,000.
By who's estimate? Not NYPD.


Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
Erik L.
2004-09-03 04:21:30 UTC
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From: Wendy Chatley Green
It's a sign of economic strength (or possibly of the success
of the welfare system that so many people can devote so much time to
protesting.
The sons and daughters of rich liberals with lots of free time.


Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
Jeff George
2004-09-03 17:41:26 UTC
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Post by Erik L.
From: Wendy Chatley Green
It's a sign of economic strength (or possibly of the success
of the welfare system that so many people can devote so much time to
protesting.
The sons and daughters of rich liberals with lots of free time.
Live in your little world. Reality is going tough for you to handle.
Post by Erik L.
Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.
Both parties suck.
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King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 00:06:52 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
I still contend this is going to be a very close race and the winner will
win by a margin of seven or less (after which Erik will owe me a bag of
Chips Ahoy and his very best regards).
...I'm fairly convinced that Kerry will get the Electoral College win in
the 300 vote range; at least the trends seem to suggest that at this
point. Only Minnesota really seems close enough for a popular vote
percentage percentage tie now...
Post by James Neibaur
I thought President Bush would squeak by with the win, but now I am not
sure. I was amazed at the number of protestors that came to Madison Square
Garden. Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and Nixon certainly had their share of
enemies, but I don't recall such massive throngs of protestors at their
conventions. This appeared to be even more passionate than Chicago in '68.
...Nixon had his hands full with the Yippie contingent who showed up in
Miami Beach in '72. In fact, that's why he had the convention moved there
from San Diego and started the push to deport John Lennon (a planned
anti-Nixon concert tour was announced in '71, with an incarnation of
Lennon's Plastic Ono Band headlining and the final show to be in San Diego
during convention week, but the idea never went past the talking stage).
But by then, both Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman had split from the
Yippies, so the TV networks were more interested in sending their cameras
to cover Sammy Davis Jr. hugging Tricky Dick instead...
Post by James Neibaur
I don't know. I think Kerry has a shot. Not fired up about Kerry (I saw
Edwards speak recently and am much more impressed with him). But I think
Kerry has every bit as much a chance at victory as does the President.
This may be the most interesting Presidential race of our time. Pay
attention.
...beating Kennedy-Nixon or Bush-Clinton-Perot? For entertainment value,
hardly...
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How Radio is done. No brag, just fact.
http://ultimajock.blogspot.com
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Erik L.
2004-09-03 04:26:57 UTC
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From: "King Daevid MacKenzie"
.I'm fairly convinced that Kerry will get the Electoral College win in
the 300 vote range;
You are an Idiot with a capital I.
Nixon had his hands full with the Yippie contingent who showed up in
Miami Beach in '72.
And it sure hurt his re-election. God this
ersatz Howard Stern is a putz.



Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
Erik L.
2004-09-03 04:20:13 UTC
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From: James Neibaur
(after which Erik will owe me a bag of
Chips Ahoy and his very best regards).
Get my cookies ready Jim.


Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
James Neibaur
2004-09-03 11:28:08 UTC
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Post by Erik L.
Post by James Neibaur
(after which Erik will owe me a bag of
Chips Ahoy and his very best regards).
Get my cookies ready Jim.
At this point I am willing to toss in a half-gallon of milk. I think the
winner of this race will just barely squeak by.

JN
Erik L.
2004-09-03 11:57:14 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
At this point I am willing to toss in a half-gallon of milk. I think the
winner of this race will just barely squeak by.
Well mailing milk would be hard, But the winner gets the cookies and 2 bucks to
buy milk, deal?


Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
James Neibaur
2004-09-03 17:35:36 UTC
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Post by Erik L.
Well mailing milk would be hard, But the winner gets the cookies and 2 bucks to
buy milk, deal?
Sounds reasonable

JN
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 12:55:46 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by Erik L.
Post by James Neibaur
(after which Erik will owe me a bag of
Chips Ahoy and his very best regards).
Get my cookies ready Jim.
At this point I am willing to toss in a half-gallon of milk. I think the
winner of this race will just barely squeak by.
...Jim -- make it soy milk just to piss Erik off all the more ;-) ...
--
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How Radio is done. No brag, just fact.
http://ultimajock.blogspot.com
"Fear and God do not inhabit the same space." DICK GREGORY
Erik L.
2004-09-03 16:43:36 UTC
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Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
..Jim -- make it soy milk just to piss Erik off all the more ;-) ...
I guess you think Bush will will if you are telling Jim what to send me


Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
Bob Champ
2004-09-03 05:29:18 UTC
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I think the problem Kerry faces is that no one--as you put it,
James--is fired up about him. He is the anybody-but-Bush
candidate--not someone Democrats care about or even know very much
about. It must be an awkward situation for him.

Bob Champ
This may be the most interesting Presidential race of our time. Pay
Post by James Neibaur
attention.
JN
mack
2004-09-03 07:15:27 UTC
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Post by Bob Champ
I think the problem Kerry faces is that no one--as you put it,
James--is fired up about him. He is the anybody-but-Bush
candidate--not someone Democrats care about or even know very much
about. It must be an awkward situation for him.
Bob Champ
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You've got that exactly right, Bob. Millions of Democrats and many many
independents couldn't care less
about Kerry, or his wife, or his family. He is simply the fellow who's
most likely to topple Bush.
I'm of that persuasion.. I don't care that Kerry is not as handsome as
Brad Pitt, or that his wife
is not an oil painting, or whether he served in Vietnam *at all*! I don't
care whether his purple heart wounds
needed only a band aid, or whether he was wounded at all. It makes no
difference whether he flip-flops,
or whether he would make a decent president.
As long as this man has a chance of tossing Bush out of the WH, and back to
Crawford Texas, I'll vote for him;
I'd also vote for PeeWee Herman, Marcel Marceau, Billy Barty, Governor
Lepetomane of Blazing Saddles,
Marty Feldman, CarrotTop, Ellen deGeneres, Stuttering John, or even "none of
the above". I'd vote to abolish
the office of President if it were to send Bush to the dustbin of history.
Bush and his criminal administration have
done more to destroy this nation in four years than Rasputin and Lenin did
to the czarist monarchy in Russia.
If Warren Harding or Herbert Hoover could be dug up, I'd vote for either of
them, too. But I'd cut off my
"touch screen" finger before I would ever think of voting for another four
years of the fool in the White House.
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 13:02:33 UTC
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Post by mack
I'd also vote for PeeWee Herman, Marcel Marceau, Billy Barty, Governor
Lepetomane of Blazing Saddles,
Marty Feldman, CarrotTop, Ellen deGeneres, Stuttering John, or even "none of
the above".
...now _here_ is where I draw the line! NO PROP COMEDIANS FOR PRESIDENT!!
EVER!!...
Post by mack
If Warren Harding or Herbert Hoover could be dug up, I'd vote for either of
them, too.
...in that case, I'm sure that Harold Stassen would be more than happy to
run again in _his_ current state ;-) ...
--
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How Radio is done. No brag, just fact.
http://ultimajock.blogspot.com
"Fear and God do not inhabit the same space." DICK GREGORY
James Neibaur
2004-09-03 11:31:51 UTC
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Post by Bob Champ
I think the problem Kerry faces is that no one--as you put it,
James--is fired up about him. He is the anybody-but-Bush
candidate--not someone Democrats care about or even know very much
about. It must be an awkward situation for him.
That's about it.

Personally, I am a little pissed that the Republicans did not vote McCain in
the 2000 primary.

JN
Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 12:53:20 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by Bob Champ
I think the problem Kerry faces is that no one--as you put it,
James--is fired up about him. He is the anybody-but-Bush
candidate--not someone Democrats care about or even know very much
about. It must be an awkward situation for him.
That's about it.
Personally, I am a little pissed that the Republicans did not vote McCain in
the 2000 primary.
What's the difference?
You wouldn't have voted for Sen. McCain against Gore, as a loyal Dem.,
would you?
The Kentucky Wizard
2004-09-03 15:20:07 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by Bob Champ
I think the problem Kerry faces is that no one--as you put it,
James--is fired up about him. He is the anybody-but-Bush
candidate--not someone Democrats care about or even know very much
about. It must be an awkward situation for him.
That's about it.
Personally, I am a little pissed that the Republicans did not vote McCain in
the 2000 primary.
JN
Two funnies about McCain:

Letterman had McCain as a guest on his show the night after his speech
to the RNC, and Dave said something along the lines to McCain that he
should be elected president for life, to which McCain, replied; "I
dunno, I kind of like the term "Emperor" much better."

Letterman also asked McCain about Michael Moore's insistance that McCain
shouldn't have commented on his documentary without seeing it first, to
which McCain replied; "Well, I haven't seen "Catwoman" either." (An
inference, I believe, that he doesn't need to see the movie to tell you
what he thinks about Halle Berry ...... *growl*)
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King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 13:06:24 UTC
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Post by Bob Champ
I think the problem Kerry faces is that no one--as you put it,
James--is fired up about him.
...while that's true, I don't think too many folks were all that
enthusiastic about Jimmy Carter, either -- and in that election, Gerry Ford,
even with his pardoning Tricky Dick, didn't get nearly as many voters pissed
at _him_ as GWB has...
--
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How Radio is done. No brag, just fact.
http://ultimajock.blogspot.com
"Fear and God do not inhabit the same space." DICK GREGORY
Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 14:37:29 UTC
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Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
Post by Bob Champ
I think the problem Kerry faces is that no one--as you put it,
James--is fired up about him.
...while that's true, I don't think too many folks were all that
enthusiastic about Jimmy Carter, either -- and in that election, Gerry Ford,
even with his pardoning Tricky Dick, didn't get nearly as many voters pissed
at _him_ as GWB has...
That pardon took away millions of votes Ford might have otherwise had
in '76, so I believe that pardon pissed off more voters than GWB has done
more than the usual number in the opposition party. Bush still has the
support of about 90% of the Rep. voters, and until that declines further or
with the Independent swing voters, he still has the edge on Kerry.
Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 05:44:30 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by David Carson
Post by J. J. Levin
Now the real campaign will start. May the best Democrat win.
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
lol -- Touche.
I still contend this is going to be a very close race and the winner will
win by a margin of seven or less
7 or less WHAT? Votes? :-)

(after which Erik will owe me a bag of
Post by James Neibaur
Chips Ahoy and his very best regards).
Don't expect Erik to give up his Chips Ahoy easily. (I know I
wouldn't.)
Post by James Neibaur
I thought President Bush would squeak by with the win, but now I am not
sure. I was amazed at the number of protestors that came to Madison Square
Garden. Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and Nixon certainly had their share of
enemies, but I don't recall such massive throngs of protestors at their
conventions. This appeared to be even more passionate than Chicago in '68.
You obviously weren't old enough to remember Chicago '68 very well to
say something like that! Vietnam was so unpopular by then, people had to
make sure Humphrey was going to pull the troops out the next year or get
dumped in Nov. Obviously, HHH was too wishy-washy on Vietnam, and he lost
because of his wishy-washiness trying to win both sets of voters (hawks and
doves).
Kinda reminds me of Sen. Kerry this year as it applies to Iraq.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit to see Bush win.
Post by James Neibaur
I don't know. I think Kerry has a shot. Not fired up about Kerry (I saw
Edwards speak recently and am much more impressed with him).
Election rhetoric always gives you more promises than it ever
fulfills.
Remember Nixon's "Secret Plan" to end the Vietnam War as promised in
the '68 campaign?
Or his pledge to "bring us together" from a sign he saw in Ohio
campaigning in '68, which gave us one of the most divisive eras in American
History shortly after he took office in Jan. 1969 until he resigned in Aug.
1974, under threat of losing ALL of his government pensions?
Post by James Neibaur
But I think
Kerry has every bit as much a chance at victory as does the President.
This may be the most interesting Presidential race of our time.
If it beats 2000 (that lasted 6+ weeks after Election Night), that
would be saying a lot!
Post by James Neibaur
Pay attention.
I am, and it is one of the dumbest elections I've heard (if not the
dumbest on the issues) since LBJ painted Goldwater as a WAR-MONGER in '64.
[And LBJ turned out to be the real WAR-MONGER that very August with U.S.
Marines invading Vietnam the following Feb.--only after he was safely
elected].
Pay attention to what Bush (or Kerry, if he should be so "lucky" to
win) does after Jan. 2005 with regards to re-starting a national DRAFT!
James Neibaur
2004-09-03 11:37:13 UTC
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Post by Rob Petrie
You obviously weren't old enough to remember Chicago '68 very well to
say something like that!
Yes I am (unfortunately) old enough to remember. And I lived right near
Chicago. I interviewed Hoffman years later for my college paper.

In NYC there were hundreds of thousands of Americans protesting the job that
the President has done. That I have never seen. And that can only be
interpreted as a failure.

JN
Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 12:49:00 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Post by Rob Petrie
You obviously weren't old enough to remember Chicago '68 very well to
say something like that!
Yes I am (unfortunately) old enough to remember. And I lived right near
Chicago. I interviewed Hoffman years later for my college paper.
In NYC there were hundreds of thousands of Americans protesting the job that
the President has done. That I have never seen. And that can only be
interpreted as a failure.
NYC is not exactly a great example to use of the mainstream 285 million
people in the U.S. outside of NYC.
I'm sticking to my view that Kerry will implode sometime between now
and Election Day and Bush will win, by whatever margin it doesn't matter.
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 13:09:50 UTC
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Post by James Neibaur
Yes I am (unfortunately) old enough to remember. And I lived right near
Chicago. I interviewed Hoffman years later for my college paper.
...Abbie or Julius? Or both?...

...if you taped it, I'd be really interested to hear it some day...
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King Daevid MacKenzie, La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
How Radio is done. No brag, just fact.
http://ultimajock.blogspot.com
"Fear and God do not inhabit the same space." DICK GREGORY
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-03 13:20:26 UTC
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Post by Rob Petrie
You obviously weren't old enough to remember Chicago '68 very well to
say something like that! Vietnam was so unpopular by then, people had to
make sure Humphrey was going to pull the troops out the next year or get
dumped in Nov. Obviously, HHH was too wishy-washy on Vietnam, and he lost
because of his wishy-washiness trying to win both sets of voters (hawks and
doves).
...no, HHH lost because so many Democrats were downright embittered at what
Dick Daley's police did in the streets of Chicago that they either didn't
vote at all or, as a protest ballot in a few thousand cases, voted for
George Wallace or even Dick Gregory's write-in candidacy. For the first
time, instead of "Negro" civil rights marchers in Alabama, Chet Huntley and
Walter Cronkite showed white middle-class kids being beaten up by police in
a _NORTHERN_ city, and Sammy 'n Susie Suburb couldn't handle that one...
Rob Petrie
2004-09-03 13:32:09 UTC
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Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
Post by Rob Petrie
You obviously weren't old enough to remember Chicago '68 very well
to
Post by Rob Petrie
say something like that! Vietnam was so unpopular by then, people had to
make sure Humphrey was going to pull the troops out the next year or get
dumped in Nov. Obviously, HHH was too wishy-washy on Vietnam, and he lost
because of his wishy-washiness trying to win both sets of voters (hawks
and
Post by Rob Petrie
doves).
...no, HHH lost because so many Democrats were downright embittered at what
Dick Daley's police did in the streets of Chicago that they either didn't
vote at all or, as a protest ballot in a few thousand cases, voted for
George Wallace or even Dick Gregory's write-in candidacy.
Partly the reason you mentioned since Nixon won IL (and MO as the
bellwether State it is), but my point is also valid.
Post by King Daevid MacKenzie
For the first
time, instead of "Negro" civil rights marchers in Alabama, Chet Huntley and
Walter Cronkite showed white middle-class kids being beaten up by police in
a _NORTHERN_ city, and Sammy 'n Susie Suburb couldn't handle that one...
King Daevid MacKenzie
2004-09-02 23:21:36 UTC
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Post by David Carson
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
...Zig-Zag Zell couldn't make it past the weigh-in nowadays anyway...
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How Radio is done. No brag, just fact.
http://ultimajock.blogspot.com
"Fear and God do not inhabit the same space." DICK GREGORY

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Erik L.
2004-09-03 04:27:43 UTC
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From: "King Daevid MacKenzie
How Radio is done. No brag, just fact.
Disc Jockey without a job.


Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
doc
2004-09-02 23:58:57 UTC
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Post by David Carson
Zell Miller isn't in the race.
No, he's probably in rehab right now.
Erik L.
2004-09-02 20:29:26 UTC
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Post by J. J. Levin
May the best Democrat win.
Not possible Zell Miller is not running.




Democrats will risk the country for the election.
Republicans will risk the election for the country.

Erik L.
doc
2004-09-02 16:32:36 UTC
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Post by Bud
Or so it would appear.
You've had one too many buds, either liquid or herbal.
Malev
2004-09-02 16:59:35 UTC
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Or s
boring ......
Pete Peeve
2004-09-02 17:11:42 UTC
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Post by Malev
Or s
boring ......
Fuck you, topic cop troll.
mack
2004-09-02 17:46:17 UTC
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Post by Pete Peeve
Post by Malev
Or s
boring ......
Fuck you, topic cop troll.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, now. Don't be acting like our beloved vice-president.
Hyfler/Rosner
2004-09-02 21:21:18 UTC
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Post by Malev
Or s
boring ......
When Malev is here, the replies are redirected. Please take
note. This one was going to alt. clueless.

Hey, Malev. How about an obituary?
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