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Actor Sir Roger Moore, age 89
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Robert Catt
2017-05-23 14:43:46 UTC
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LONDON—Roger Moore, the suavely insouciant star of seven James Bond films,
has died in Switzerland. He was 89. The British actor died Tuesday after a
short battle with cancer, according to a family statement posted on Moore’s
official Twitter account. “We know our own love and admiration will be
magnified many times over, across the world, by people who knew him for his
films, his television shows and his passionate work for UNICEF, which he
considered to be his greatest achievement,” the statement said.

Moore’s relaxed style and sense of whimsy, which relied heavily on the
arched eyebrow, seemed a commentary on the essential ridiculousness of the
Bond films, in which the handsome British secret agent was as adept at
mixing martinis, bedding beautiful women and ordering gourmet meals as he
was at disposing of supervillains trying to take over the world.

“To me, the Bond situations are so ridiculous, so outrageous,” he once said.
“I mean, this man is supposed to be a spy and yet, everybody knows he’s a
spy. Every bartender in the world offers him martinis that are shaken, not
stirred. What kind of serious spy is recognized everywhere he goes? It’s
outrageous. So you have to treat the humour outrageously as well.”

While he never eclipsed Sean Connery in the public’s eye as the definitive
James Bond, Moore did play the role of secret agent 007 in just as many
films as Connery did, and he managed to do so while “finding a joke in every
situation,” according to film critic Rex Reed.

https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2017/05/23/sir-roger-moore-known-for-playing-james-bond-dies-at-age-89.html
Bryan Styble
2017-05-23 22:04:46 UTC
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Thanks much for posting this, Sir Catt...even though it seems to confirm my worst fear about Moore's ever-cloying take on the Bond character: that the always-wisecracking-and-too-often-mugging approach Moore employed was not at the urging of the Broccolis in the hope of catering to changing audience tastes, but rather the actor's own idea.

I'm of course certain that Moore didn't intend to scare away fans of the franchise, but that's exactly what he did, at least in my case: I never even bothered to watch the end of the silly "Moonraker", and I should have stopped half-way through "The Man with the Golden Gun". Heck, didn't even "Live and Let Die" feature that goofball sheriff?

Why Broccoli didn't fire him after a few days of shooting LALD and replace him with, I dunno, maybe George Lazenby, or Timothy Dalton, remains a mystery to me. Oh, and Moore so poisoned the Bond films for me that I've never even trifled with Daniel Craig's critically-acclaimed take on the character.

I much appreciate your considerable charitable work, Sir Roger, and everyone seems to have found you a charming man, but I'm sorry I can't forgive what you did to what, I'm informed, is the most successful film series in history.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
Michael OConnor
2017-05-23 22:54:26 UTC
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I never cared for the Roger Moore Bond; he always played the character a little too tongue in cheek, and he never struck me as somebody who could kill a man with his bare hands if necessary as the Connery Bond did and as the Craig Bond (Daniel Craig has said he is thru with Bond) did. Pierce Brosnan was sort of a hybrid between Connery and Moore, and might have grown on me more if he had gotten the role right out of Remington Steele instead of waiting ten years before doing Goldeneye.

I liked Daniel Craig as Bond as he redefined the image of Bond, and his movies were very smartly written with a lot of great action sequences and didn't rely on hokey villains who were either trying to take over or destroy a large part of the world like most of the Connery and Moore Bond villains. Also, they took away all the gadgets from the Craig Bond character, forcing him to rely only on his wits and his gun and gave him his Aston Martin with few if any modifications. I think Casino Royale and Skyfall were the best of the recent Bond films. If you gave up on the Bond films, I would recommend these two.
c***@aol.com
2017-05-24 03:23:23 UTC
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You can't blame Moore for the poor quality of the Bond films he appeared in. It was a radical departure from Connery who will always be the best.

Two of the Craig films are among the best in the franchise: Casino Royale and Skyfall.
David Carson
2017-05-29 01:15:49 UTC
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On Tue, 23 May 2017 15:54:26 -0700 (PDT), Michael OConnor
Post by Michael OConnor
I never cared for the Roger Moore Bond; he always played the character a little too tongue in cheek, and he never struck me as somebody who could kill a man with his bare hands if necessary as the Connery Bond did and as the Craig Bond (Daniel Craig has said he is thru with Bond) did. Pierce Brosnan was sort of a hybrid between Connery and Moore, and might have grown on me more if he had gotten the role right out of Remington Steele instead of waiting ten years before doing Goldeneye.
Well said. I just wanted to add that one thing Moore's films have going
for them is the themes. "Live and Let Die" is great fun and was a
highlight of McCartney concerts for decades. And "Nobody Does It Better"
from "The Spy Who Loved Me" is perhaps the finest pop ballad ever
recorded.

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c***@aol.com
2017-05-29 01:33:16 UTC
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Brosnan had the role during Remington Steele and the producers used that to extend the run, then the show got canceled 6 months later and Brosnan got screwed.

Roger Moore will always be The Saint to me. His Bond was second rate and there are no Bond films worse than late Roge Moore like Moonraker or For Your Eyes Only. Even Lazenby, vastly underrated, was a better Bond than Moore.
Michael OConnor
2017-05-29 02:18:44 UTC
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Post by Michael OConnor
I never cared for the Roger Moore Bond; he always played the character a little too tongue in cheek, and he never struck me as somebody who could kill a man with his bare hands if necessary as the Connery Bond did and as the Craig Bond (Daniel Craig has said he is thru with Bond) did. Pierce Brosnan was sort of a hybrid between Connery and Moore, and might have grown on me more if he had gotten the role right out of Remington Steele instead of waiting ten years before doing Goldeneye.
Well said. I just wanted to add that one thing Moore's films have going
for them is the themes. "Live and Let Die" is great fun and was a
highlight of McCartney concerts for decades. And "Nobody Does It Better"
from "The Spy Who Loved Me" is perhaps the finest pop ballad ever
recorded.
Bond has to have something of a brute in him, and Roger Moore never projected that.

As far as great Bond themes during the Moore era, I would also like to add "For Your Eyes Only", which IMO was the last truly memorable Bond theme song.
Anglo Saxon
2017-05-29 04:37:09 UTC
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Post by David Carson
Well said. I just wanted to add that one thing Moore's films have going
for them is the themes. "Live and Let Die" is great fun and was a
highlight of McCartney concerts for decades. And "Nobody Does It Better"
from "The Spy Who Loved Me" is perhaps the finest pop ballad ever
recorded.
In keeping with that theme, Ringo found his own Bond Girl from "The Spy
Who Loved Me", Barbara Bach. They've been married 36 years now.
marcus
2017-05-30 02:18:12 UTC
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Well said. I just wanted to add that one thing Moore's films have
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for them is the themes. "Live and Let Die" is great fun and was a
highlight of McCartney concerts for decades. And "Nobody Does It
Better"
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from "The Spy Who Loved Me" is perhaps the finest pop ballad ever
recorded.
In keeping with that theme, Ringo found his own Bond Girl from "The Spy
Who Loved Me", Barbara Bach. They've been married 36 years now.
"Goldfinger" has Sean Connery as Bond mentioning The Beatles. One of the first non-Rock movies to do so.

Marc

http://www.newstimes.com/opinion/article/Marc-A-Catone-50th-anniversary-of-SGT-PEPPER-S-11177819.php
Bryan Styble
2017-05-30 02:37:16 UTC
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I don't recall the allusion to The Beatles in "Goldfinger"; which scene was it, Marcus?

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
marcus
2017-05-30 03:06:19 UTC
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I don't recall the allusion to The Beatles in "Goldfinger"; which scene was it, Marcus?
BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
I think it occurs right before Bond gets knocked out and they paint the girl with gold paint. Something to the effect, "It's like listening to The Beatles without earmuffs."
c***@aol.com
2017-05-30 03:55:26 UTC
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It's a great putdown of that overrated piece of shit group.
Terry del Fuego
2017-05-30 13:24:30 UTC
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Post by marcus
I think it occurs right before Bond gets knocked out and they paint
the girl with gold paint. Something to the effect, "It's like listening to
The Beatles without earmuffs."
Moore's death got me to watch Hulu's new documentary about George
Lazenby, which was a lot more interesting than it might sound. That in
turn got me interested in *finally* watching the Bond films in order,
having only seen maybe 3 in my life. So I started with "Dr. No" and
loved it, then when I moved on to "From Russia with Love" I saw that
Hulu is putting exclamation points on all the thumbnails because the
entire series "expires" in two days.

Yes, I realize that in this particular case it's simply part of the
universal plot to annoy *me*, but it does point out that those who
fantasize about a completely discless, all-streaming future really
are, in every single case without exception, ISIS supporters.

Also, whoever on the filmmaking team decided that they'd leave in the
setup after the BBFC forced them to cut the punchline at the end of
"From Russia with Love" was crazy.
David Carson
2017-05-30 18:29:58 UTC
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On Tue, 30 May 2017 06:24:30 -0700, Terry del Fuego
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Also, whoever on the filmmaking team decided that they'd leave in the
setup after the BBFC forced them to cut the punchline at the end of
"From Russia with Love" was crazy.
If it wasn't any better than the "punchline" at the end of The Spy Who
Loved Me, it's just as well it was cut.
Terry del Fuego
2017-05-30 23:20:58 UTC
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If it wasn't any better than the "punchline" at the end of The Spy Who
Loved Me, it's just as well it was cut.
Haven't seen it, can't compare. The problem in FRWL is that there's a
setup followed by an incredibly sloppy jump cut complete with missing
bits of the music. It's jarring enough that normal people and not just
nerds would say "Wait...what?"
http://commanderbond.net/3454/from-russia-with-love-the-jump-cut.html
It would have been perfectly satisfying to just have bond toss the
film in the water.

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be on YouTube.
David Carson
2017-05-30 23:57:25 UTC
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On Tue, 30 May 2017 16:20:58 -0700, Terry del Fuego
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Post by David Carson
If it wasn't any better than the "punchline" at the end of The Spy Who
Loved Me, it's just as well it was cut.
Haven't seen it, can't compare.
Skip to 2:10 if you want to get to the point.

Post by Terry del Fuego
<The problem in FRWL is that there's a
setup followed by an incredibly sloppy jump cut complete with missing
bits of the music. It's jarring enough that normal people and not just
nerds would say "Wait...what?"
http://commanderbond.net/3454/from-russia-with-love-the-jump-cut.html
It would have been perfectly satisfying to just have bond toss the
film in the water.
Made me get out my DVD, and you're right. The deleted line was a lot tamer
than the one kept in The Spy Who Loved Me, but I still maintain that with
the latter film, a sloppy jump cut from "Bond, what do you think you're
doing?" to curtains down would have improved it, along with shooting the
orchestra and singers who gave the aforementioned beautiful theme song the
"Anchor's Aweigh" treatment.

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Terry del Fuego
2017-05-31 13:21:35 UTC
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Post by David Carson
Skip to 2:10 if you want to get to the point.
http://youtu.be/FvEi2U7IKRE
Ouch.
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Made me get out my DVD, and you're right. The deleted line was a lot tamer
than the one kept in The Spy Who Loved Me
It wasn't uncommon for British productions to create tame versions to
appease the BBFC, slightly naughtier versions for the Continent and
more explicitly violent versions for Japan. But apparently in this
case they just let the BBFC decide what the rest of the world got to
see.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s2065russjump2.html has a complete
list of censor cuts for FRWL.
l***@yahoo.com
2017-06-12 18:41:53 UTC
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Trivia re the 1977 "The Spy Who Loved Me," from "The Signet Book of Movie Lists," page 76:

"It cost $25,000 to hire a stunt double for Roger Moore, and no wonder: the scene required James Bond to ski from the sheer side of a cliff, then float to safety after releasing a Union Jack parachute from his backpack."

(According to the CPI Inflation Calculator, that's $104,497.44 in 2017 dollars.)


Lenona.
l***@yahoo.com
2017-06-21 17:17:42 UTC
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"It cost $25,000 to hire a stunt double for Roger Moore, and no wonder: the scene required James Bond to ski from the sheer side of a cliff, then float to safety after releasing a Union Jack parachute from his backpack."
(According to the CPI Inflation Calculator, that's $104,497.44 in 2017 dollars.)
According to this statement from the guy who did it (NOT a Hollywood stuntman), his fee was actually 20% higher!

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/4iuxrc/the_opening_scene_of_the_spy_who_loved_mein_which/d31zzrh/



Lenona.
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2017-06-21 18:11:00 UTC
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"It cost $25,000 to hire a stunt double for Roger Moore, and no wonder: the scene required James Bond to ski from the sheer side of a cliff, then float to safety after releasing a Union Jack parachute from his backpack."
(According to the CPI Inflation Calculator, that's $104,497.44 in 2017 dollars.)
According to this statement from the guy who did it (NOT a Hollywood stuntman), his fee was actually 20% higher!
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/4iuxrc/the_opening_scene_of_the_spy_who_loved_mein_which/d31zzrh/
Lenona.
Pretty interesting story. Thanks.

Ray Arthur

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