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Healthwatch: Rep. Steve Scalise - shot
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Michael OConnor
2017-06-14 12:34:28 UTC
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/alexandria-virginia-shooting/index.html

Rep. Scalise shot in Virginia

By Karl de Vries and Eugene Scott, CNN

Washington (CNN)Rep. Steve Scalise was shot Wednesday morning in Alexandria, Virginia, a House colleague told CNN, in what sources are calling an apparent "deliberate attack."

Rep. Mo Brooks told CNN he was on deck at a practice for the congressional baseball team when the shooting occurred. Scalise, a member of the House Republican leadership as the majority whip, appeared to have been shot in the hip and it appeared two Capitol Hill police agents were shot, Brooks added.
According to both congressional and law enforcement sources, the shooting appears to be a "deliberate attack." Alexandria police said earlier Wednesday they were responding to a "multiple shooting" in the city. The tweet also said the suspect is in custody "and not a threat." CNN has reached out to Capitol Hill police for details.
Brooks said there were a number of congressmen and congressional staffers lying on the ground, and at least one of them was wounded. The Alabama Republican said he used his belt as a tourniquet to help one of the victims.
He said the shooter appeared to be a white male but added that "I saw him for a second or two." He said the shooter was behind the third base dugout and didn't say anything.
"The gun was a semiautomatic," Brooks said. "It continued to fire at different people. You can imagine, all the people on the field scatter."
This story is breaking and will be updated.
CNN's Dana Bash and Peter Morris contributed to this report.
Sarah Ehrett's Lesbian Love Interest
2017-06-14 18:50:06 UTC
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Grown men on a weekday playing. On my dime! Get back to work, work on the problems of guns, drugs, crime.

Sorry people got hurt. But a playground shooting? Welcome to America! If our corrupt lawmakers didn't cause the problems related to playground shootings, guns, drugs, and crime- they should be busy fixing them.

Not as sad, a lobbyist was also shot. Glomming onto our lawmakers, on a hot day buying them an ice cream cone, in exchange for allowing guns, drugs, and crime for profit.

Wall to wall coverage, like a child told there is no Santy Claus, now our lawmakers know how unsafe the rest of America feels. For the complete American experience let's solve the gun violence problem with... more guns!
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2017-06-14 19:28:39 UTC
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I hope you die a painful death soon. People like you don't deserve to breathe.
Sarah Ehrett's Lesbian Love Interest
2017-06-14 20:45:21 UTC
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What's the problem? I don't cry when politicians get shot? The same ones who couldn't vote the population's will when dozens of children were killed (KILLED) at Sandy Hook? All my tears are being saved for the UPS workers killed (KILLED) today, while they were at work... working.

What are we to expect? Millions march against these programs. Protesters are dismissed as being paid, bussed in.

Voting is useless. The winner doesn't win. When one can vote. When one's vote isn't gerrymandered into uselessness.

The more news coverage, the more copycats. The UPS shooter had something to say, but few will hear it. One can't buy the publicity the D.C. shooter has garnered. And he'll go to Heaven not killing anyone.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-06-14 21:52:36 UTC
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Voting is useless. The winner doesn't win.
Trump won the Electoral College. That is the vote that counts.
Larc
2017-06-15 03:13:37 UTC
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:52:36 -0400, Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> wrote:

| On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 13:45:21 -0700 (PDT), "Sarah Ehrett's Lesbian Love
| Interest" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
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| >Voting is useless. The winner doesn't win.
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| Trump won the Electoral College. That is the vote that counts.

Too bad that antiquated process is still in use. Modern technologies and
conveniencies negate the need for it.

Larc
David Carson
2017-06-15 05:52:36 UTC
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| Trump won the Electoral College. That is the vote that counts.
Too bad that antiquated process is still in use. Modern technologies and
conveniencies negate the need for it.
Not at all. The "need for it" is that our government is a federal
republic, and as such, we don't have a national election for president; we
have 50 state elections. The Electoral College was designed to ensure that
the smaller states (or the citizens in the smaller states, if you prefer)
would have a say in voting for the president. The idea that the Electoral
College was created for logistical reasons having to do with distance and
time is a modern myth.

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Bryan Styble
2017-06-15 08:12:57 UTC
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Your analysis of the Electoral College is of course precisely on the mark, Sir Carson; I'd only add the familiar World Series analogy--i.e., that few would argue that a team which merely scored more runs over a four-, five-, six- or seven-game Series should be declared the champion if they didn't also apportion those runs over four victorious margins.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
David Carson
2017-06-15 12:57:48 UTC
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Your analysis of the Electoral College is of course precisely on the mark, Sir Carson; I'd only add the familiar World Series analogy--i.e., that few would argue that a team which merely scored more runs over a four-, five-, six- or seven-game Series should be declared the champion if they didn't also apportion those runs over four victorious margins.
The founders did not intend for the electoral process to be a championship
between two competing teams.
Kenny McCormack
2017-06-15 13:01:47 UTC
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 01:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Styble
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Your analysis of the Electoral College is of course precisely on the
mark, Sir Carson; I'd only add the familiar World Series analogy--i.e.,
that few would argue that a team which merely scored more runs over a
four-, five-, six- or seven-game Series should be declared the champion
if they didn't also apportion those runs over four victorious margins.
The founders did not intend for the electoral process to be a championship
between two competing teams.
They didn't?
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J.D. Baldwin
2017-06-15 14:40:04 UTC
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Post by Larc
| Trump won the Electoral College. That is the vote that counts.
Too bad that antiquated process is still in use. Modern
technologies and conveniencies negate the need for it.
Not at all. The "need for it" is that our government is a federal
republic, and as such, we don't have a national election for
president; we have 50 state elections. The Electoral College was
designed to ensure that the smaller states (or the citizens in the
smaller states, if you prefer) would have a say in voting for the
president. The idea that the Electoral College was created for
logistical reasons having to do with distance and time is a modern
myth.
The EC forces candidates to broaden their appeal. Without it, all a
candidate has to do is promise free puppies to everyone in New York
and California, and that's pretty much that. *That* is its main
utility. (There are other good reasons for its existence, but that's
the main one.)

Because of the hurdles involved in amending the Constitution, the EC
is never, ever, ever going away. Not ever. An amendment to do so
wouldn't get ratification by *ten* states, never mind 38. For that
matter, it would never get out of Congress.

If you want to reform the American electoral system to remove a
genuinely stupid and archaic feature, work to get rid of "first past
the post." It's probably the dumbest way possible to conduct an
election. Me, I'd prefer a separate run-off between the top two
candidates in a race where none got a clear majority -- but if you
think that's too inefficient, there's always ranked balloting.
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danny burstein
2017-06-15 14:47:07 UTC
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The EC forces candidates to broaden their appeal. Without it, all a
candidate has to do is promise free puppies to everyone in New York
and California, and that's pretty much that. *That* is its main
utility.
Don't forget Texas...
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2017-06-15 16:24:30 UTC
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Post by J.D. Baldwin
The EC forces candidates to broaden their appeal. Without it, all a
candidate has to do is promise free puppies to everyone in New York
and California, and that's pretty much that. *That* is its main
utility.
Don't forget Texas...
And in the census in year 2020, Florida will pass New York state in
population.
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Sarah Ehrett
2017-06-15 15:24:20 UTC
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Post by Larc
| Trump won the Electoral College. That is the vote that counts.
Too bad that antiquated process is still in use. Modern technologies and
conveniencies negate the need for it.
Not at all. The "need for it" is that our government is a federal
republic, and as such, we don't have a national election for president; we
have 50 state elections. The Electoral College was designed to ensure that
the smaller states (or the citizens in the smaller states, if you prefer)
would have a say in voting for the president. The idea that the Electoral
College was created for logistical reasons having to do with distance and
time is a modern myth.
David Carson
Thank you, David. Excellent response, I could not have said it
better. I have house guests and am not online as often as I can be
to do follow ups.
Kenny McCormack
2017-06-15 16:10:29 UTC
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Thank you, David. Excellent response, I could not have said it
better. I have house guests and am not online as often as I can be
to do follow ups.
Heh heh. This thread is beginning to sound like a Trump cabinet meeting.
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2017-06-15 16:07:42 UTC
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Post by Larc
| Trump won the Electoral College. That is the vote that counts.
Too bad that antiquated process is still in use. Modern technologies and
conveniencies negate the need for it.
Not at all. The "need for it" is that our government is a federal
republic, and as such, we don't have a national election for president; we
have 50 state elections. The Electoral College was designed to ensure that
the smaller states (or the citizens in the smaller states, if you prefer)
would have a say in voting for the president. The idea that the Electoral
College was created for logistical reasons having to do with distance and
time is a modern myth.
Well said and exactly right. The leftards who think they are smarter
than everyone else of course know this. However the left is loaded with
a bunch of dishonest, pandering, subhumans who try to change the
narrative on everything.

This shooting is the culmination of their anarchy. Going from
demonstrations, to Kathy Griffin, to Shakespeare, to Colbert, to the
foul mouth arab scum on CNN, riots at Berkley. The left is a blight on
society. They are the modern day fecal fascists.
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2017-06-15 16:52:55 UTC
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Delta pulled funding from a Trump-esque ‘Julius Caesar’ — but not from an Obama-like version in 2012

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/06/12/delta-pulled-funding-from-a-trump-esque-julius-caesar-but-not-for-an-obama-like-version-in-2012/?utm_term=.6fc442342738
Sarah Ehrett's Lesbian Love Interest
2017-06-16 23:53:38 UTC
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What I like most about the Electoral College is crummy states, states no one wants to live in, shitholes created by the people who live there, they get to have their votes count more.

People who live in nice places, places built on enterprise, with respect for the environment, schools to attract the brilliant, hospitals for cutting edge, tourism that showcases all that is good in America. People work harder, create more jobs, pay more taxes, gather more wealth- those people's votes count for less. Ahhh... the American way!
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2017-06-17 00:19:30 UTC
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You mean shitholes like New York and California?
Kenny McCormack
2017-06-17 02:12:26 UTC
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What I like most about the Electoral College is crummy states, states
no one wants to live in, shitholes created by the people who live
there, they get to have their votes count more.
People who live in nice places, places built on enterprise, with
respect for the environment, schools to attract the brilliant,
hospitals for cutting edge, tourism that showcases all that is good in
America. People work harder, create more jobs, pay more taxes, gather
more wealth- those people's votes count for less. Ahhh... the American
way!
Indeed, +1. You got it exactly right.

There is a *reason* why there is higher population density in places like
CA and NY than in places like ND. Because nobody in their right mind would
want to live in a shithole like ND. For the most part, this goes for the
rest of the "core" red states.
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2017-06-17 04:06:54 UTC
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Hey, come on, Folks! Some people--including the 26th President of the United States, I gather--consider North Dakota a lovely place for any number of reasons.

Granted, I'm not one of them. And here I am, in a particular precinct of the American southeast that I finally found only after a couple false starts here in The Sunshine State. And which I drive around in wonder thinking, "Man, this may be the most comfortable place in all the Lower 48 to live!" But what I mean, even when I don't say it or think it, is that it's the most comfortable place for ME...but I happen to consider 80 F. comfortable. And I got tired of hills after living in The San Francisco Bay Area, Albuquerque, Seattle and San Diego.

All told, I've lived in Missouri, Massachusetts, Texas, California, Michigan, Illinois, South Carolina, New Mexico, Washington [State] and Florida, and barring deportation by ICE I guess, that last entry should be the final one. And yeah, I sometimes also think, "Wow, what if for some reason I'd have to choose between, say, North Dakota and Florida--how long would it take to make THAT choice?"

Now, I've not spent a lot of time in either Dakota, but I did witness Dylan's first two North Dakota NeverEndingTour dates in Fargo and Bismarck in June 1980, and the latter show happened to be one of the handful of times Dylan has anywhere spoken specifically to me from the stage. So yeah, I treasure that experience, for sure. And Bismarck has some of the most unusual residential architecture I've ever seen, though I've no idea why that might be.

And two bona fide American icons were raised in The Roughrider State: Eric Sevareid, whom I was thrilled to interview on commercial newstalk radio in 1990; and Lawrence Welk, who I never even bothered to try to book for my show (but maybe I should have anyway).

But as sentimental about North Dakota as I am, yep, I vastly prefer the suburban Florida climate, topography and culture here to what I'd alternatively find (and have to weather, figuratively AND literally) up in Minot or Fargo. But I'm ALSO quite confident there are all kinds of second-, third- and fourth-generation (or more!) North Dakotans who would have there own lengthy list of reasons why they would find my little Eden down here instead to be a downright Hades.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
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2017-06-17 04:15:50 UTC
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I'm sorry; those two cited Dylan performances in North Dakota, vocally overwrought as they so typically were--as well as his first-ever South Dakota concert in Sioux Falls the night prior--were in June 1990, not 1980.

I deeply denounce my disregard for Dylanological detail.

STYBLE/Florida
Bryan Styble
2017-06-17 04:20:45 UTC
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Yikes! I somehow missed that their/they're/there typo! (Guess I've been reading too many semi-literate comment threads...)

STYBLE/Florida
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2017-06-17 04:30:59 UTC
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Yikes! I somehow missed that their/they're/there typo! (Guess I've
been reading too many semi-literate comment threads...)
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STYBLE/Florida
Styble, you're drunk, aren't you?
Bryan Styble
2017-06-17 06:28:39 UTC
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Nope; as it happens, booze doesn't agree with me, Anglo.

Actually, I just felt sorry for any Dakotan readers hereto, who surely resented the nasty things said about their justifiably-proud little corner of the republic*.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
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* That said, one of my fave Bill Maher gags is: "When you think about it--do we really need two Dakotas?"
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Actually, I just felt sorry for any Dakotan readers hereto, who surely
resented the nasty things said about their justifiably-proud little
corner of the republic*.
Heh heh. Two other things about ND that are relevant:

1) They claim to have a very low unemployment rate. Well, there's a
reason for that. Nobody would live there other than for the job.
In a way, a healthy unemployment rate speaks well for a place,
since it indicates that people are willing to live there without
jobs. Similar to Dubai, which consists entirely of rich people and
their attendants; there are no normal people there.

2) Houses are super cheap there. From what I've heard, you can buy a
mansion there for a few bucks. But, then what do you do with it???

Continuing that theme, one of the red-state memes is how much further your
dollar goes in red states than in blue states. I've seen charts that show
the value of a dollar by state - Check out:

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2016/05/13/the-value-of-a-dollar-in-every-state/

Which says, not surprisingly, that your dollar goes furthest in Mississippi
(#1) and the least in Hawaii (New York is #49). Well, there's a reason for
that. Who the heck wants to live in Mississippi? Conversely, people
*want* to live in HI and NY. Much the same is true for the rest of the
blue states.
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c***@aol.com
2017-06-17 13:37:29 UTC
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Only a liberal Elitist jackass would diss ND. Better to live in crime ridden over taxed dirty and dingy NY or CA.
Sarah Ehrett's Lesbian Love Interest
2017-06-17 15:02:56 UTC
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N.D., The place where the mosquito is the state bird, the telephone pole is the state tree. Where men are men and the sheep are nervous.

I have to say, the finest vacation I've ever had was in S.D., in the Black Hills area. Beautiful country, plenty to do (if you have a car), lots to see, and at prices that make Vegas seem expensive.

One man/woman, one vote. Not one vote counts more if one lives in certain places (all white places).

And another thing, why does Iowa and New Hampshire so strongly who'll win the primaries? Why not New Jersey and Oregon?

I'd like to see an election in which everyone has a chance. After the vote, all the votes are put into a bag and the winner is drawn. That way, third and fourth party candidates would have a chance. And maybe then Congress would weaken the role of the president.
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2017-06-19 13:46:58 UTC
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N.D., The place where the mosquito is the state bird, the telephone
pole is the state tree. Where men are men and the sheep are nervous.
Heh heh. Old jokes, but goodies.
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I have to say, the finest vacation I've ever had was in S.D., in the
Black Hills area. Beautiful country, plenty to do (if you have a car),
lots to see, and at prices that make Vegas seem expensive.
Yes. SD, like many red states, is a nice place to visit, but you really
don't want to live there. Statistics bear this out (keep in mind that cost
of living is simply an index of how desirable it is to live there).

Interesting fact: SD has the highest rape rate in the country.
(Although, to be fair, I've often wondered if that's more an artifact of
the legal system than of actual reality. Rape, in particular being a
rarely reported and hard-to-convict crime; it could well be the case that
this statistic actually speaks well for the SD legal system.)

Of course, if I go on much more about this, you all might start to think
I'm a Republican. Republicans love to talk about rape...
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One man/woman, one vote. Not one vote counts more if one lives in
certain places (all white places).
Quite so. One wonders why they even have democracy at all. Why not just
give each state a single vote? Whoever gets 26 or more wins.

(Yes, I'm kidding...)
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And another thing, why does Iowa and New Hampshire so strongly who'll
win the primaries? Why not New Jersey and Oregon?
Because those two states figured out long ago that it was all about
momentum. That their being the first primaries would have an enormous
impact on the eventual outcome. In fact, as I understand it, California's
primary comes so late that it has effectively zero effect on the outcome.
Obviously, that's pretty sad given that it is the most populous state.
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| On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 13:45:21 -0700 (PDT), "Sarah Ehrett's Lesbian Love
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| >Voting is useless. The winner doesn't win.
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| Trump won the Electoral College. That is the vote that counts.
Too bad that antiquated process is still in use. Modern technologies and
conveniencies negate the need for it.
Shows how little you know about how republics work.

Not surprising considering you're a leftard who can't spell.
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