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Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-27 05:17:52 UTC
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Not Lala Land. Warren Beatty blows Presentation.

Lala Land up giving acceptance speeches and then had to be told that
they lost. Classy classy response by LaLa Land people.
That Derek
2017-02-27 05:35:12 UTC
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My new go-to response whenever I immediately want to change my mind is "I'm sorry; Warren Beatty opened the wrong envelope."
c***@aol.com
2017-02-27 05:48:13 UTC
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Beatty didn't blow it. They gave him the wrong envelope. It wasn't his fault.

Moonlight is a piece is shit. What a shame.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-27 06:00:21 UTC
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Beatty didn't blow it. They gave him the wrong envelope. It wasn't his fault.
Of course he blew it. The card read Emma Stone in LaLaLand for Best
Actress. He can read can't he?
c***@aol.com
2017-02-27 06:03:33 UTC
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That's what they gave him? What was he supposed to do? And he didn't read it Dunaway did. Epic fail.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-27 06:23:57 UTC
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That's what they gave him? What was he supposed to do? And he didn't read it Dunaway did. Epic fail.
He was supposed to question why the card was in the wrong envelop.

"Beatty explained that he was confused as to what to announce because
Stone's card for best actress was accidentally in the best picture
envelope."

"Beatty appeared speechless before handing the card to Dunaway, who
revealed that La La Land wins."
Louis Epstein
2017-02-27 08:12:17 UTC
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That's what they gave him? What was he supposed to do? And he didn't read it Dunaway did. Epic fail.
He was supposed to question why the card was in the wrong envelop.
"Beatty explained that he was confused as to what to announce because
Stone's card for best actress was accidentally in the best picture
envelope."
I have seen stills that clearly say "BEST ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE"
(all caps,boxed) on the envelope in Beatty's hand.
And the card inside was indeed the card for that award.

(Sounds like the Hugo Award tradition would work better...once
the winners are determined the winner's name is engraved on the
base,and the award sent onstage with a cardboard mask over the name
which is removed when the nominees have been announced).

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Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-27 19:32:16 UTC
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Post by Sarah Ehrett
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That's what they gave him? What was he supposed to do? And he didn't read it Dunaway did. Epic fail.
He was supposed to question why the card was in the wrong envelop.
"Beatty explained that he was confused as to what to announce because
Stone's card for best actress was accidentally in the best picture
envelope."
I have seen stills that clearly say "BEST ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE"
(all caps,boxed) on the envelope in Beatty's hand.
And the card inside was indeed the card for that award.
Beatty was obviously confused. Last night I reported what he'd said.
He's claiming today that the mix up was not his fault. I agree, the
mix up wasn't his fault but failing to say or do anything once he
realized things were not correct WAS his fault.
Post by Louis Epstein
(Sounds like the Hugo Award tradition would work better...once
the winners are determined the winner's name is engraved on the
base,and the award sent onstage with a cardboard mask over the name
which is removed when the nominees have been announced).
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
J.D. Baldwin
2017-02-27 23:41:41 UTC
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Beatty was obviously confused. Last night I reported what he'd
said. He's claiming today that the mix up was not his fault. I
agree, the mix up wasn't his fault but failing to say or do anything
once he realized things were not correct WAS his fault.
That's just ridiculous.

Warren Beatty is not an operations engineer. He makes his living by
reading things other people write down for him. In what way is it his
responsibility to do anything about a screw-up that is the obvious,
direct responsibility of a dozen or more Hollywood producers whose
compensation for this one event is probably about six times the
American median household income? One of *those* jackasses should
have stepped in, or, better, not screwed the pooch in the first damn
place.
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Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-28 01:14:18 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:41:41 +0000 (UTC),
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Beatty was obviously confused. Last night I reported what he'd
said. He's claiming today that the mix up was not his fault. I
agree, the mix up wasn't his fault but failing to say or do anything
once he realized things were not correct WAS his fault.
That's just ridiculous.
No.
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Warren Beatty is not an operations engineer. He makes his living by
reading things other people write down for him. In what way is it his
responsibility to do anything about a screw-up that is the obvious,
A simple, " Do we have the correct envelop here? " too much of a
stretch for the old guy?

In Beatty's place you would have said nothing?
Post by J.D. Baldwin
direct responsibility of a dozen or more Hollywood producers whose
compensation for this one event is probably about six times the
American median household income? One of *those* jackasses should
have stepped in, or, better, not screwed the pooch in the first damn
place.
Should have stepped in? Who do you think knew Beatty had the wrong
envelop, other than Beatty himself, before Faye Dunaway announced the
incorrect winner?
c***@aol.com
2017-02-28 02:14:10 UTC
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Well the PWC accountant certainly should have known he gave Beatty the wrong envelope.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-28 02:47:36 UTC
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Well the PWC accountant certainly should have known he gave Beatty the wrong envelope.
Like you said, he was too busy tweeting and doing selfies. I doubt he
had a clue until he heard the announcement.
J.D. Baldwin
2017-02-28 04:08:54 UTC
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Post by Sarah Ehrett
A simple, " Do we have the correct envelop here? " too much of a
stretch for the old guy?
In Beatty's place you would have said nothing?
If I'd caught the error, understood its nature, and felt that I could
do or say something helpful, of course not. Nor would Beatty. But
calling the incident his "fault" when running a show is so far outside
his experience and responsibilities is just beyond silly. Particularly
considering the army of overpaid Hollywood egomaniacs whose
responsibility it actually *was*.
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Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-28 05:06:03 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 04:08:54 +0000 (UTC),
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by Sarah Ehrett
A simple, " Do we have the correct envelop here? " too much of a
stretch for the old guy?
In Beatty's place you would have said nothing?
If I'd caught the error, understood its nature, and felt that I could
do or say something helpful, of course not. Nor would Beatty.
He said nothing. The envelop is labeled, "Best Actress" and the card
inside said "Emma Sand LaLaLand". And here he is saying just that.
http://www.eonline.com/news/832423/everything-we-know-about-the-2017-oscars-best-picture-envelope-mix-up


But
Post by J.D. Baldwin
calling the incident his "fault" when running a show is so far outside
his experience and responsibilities is just beyond silly.
You're not following JD. This is what I said: Last night I
reported what he'd said. He's claiming today that the mix up was not
his fault. I agree, the mix up wasn't his fault but failing to say or
do anything once he realized things were not correct WAS his fault.



Particularly
Post by J.D. Baldwin
considering the army of overpaid Hollywood egomaniacs whose
responsibility it actually *was*.
c***@aol.com
2017-02-28 05:31:18 UTC
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Beatty was not responsible for any of this up until the point he opened the envelope and saw "Emma Stone - La La Land." At that point he should have done something OTHER than hand the card to Dunaway.

That's all he was responsible for. I'm still waiting for someone to explain why PWC or the producers did NOTHING for the 5 minutes the presentation took before someone finally took action.

It seems to me there was NO plan in place to deal with the possibility that something like this could happen. It was negligent.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-28 06:43:59 UTC
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Post by c***@aol.com
Beatty was not responsible for any of this up until the point he opened the envelope and saw "Emma Stone - La La Land." At that point he should have done something OTHER than hand the card to Dunaway.
Exactly.
Post by c***@aol.com
That's all he was responsible for. I'm still waiting for someone to explain why PWC or the producers did NOTHING for the 5 minutes the presentation took before someone finally took action.
I had stopped to watch the Best Picture award and I'm sure you too
noticed the commotion going on behind the speakers. Something
certainly was up and people were probably trying to inform the
LaLALanders quietly before whoever it was made the announcement to
every one else.
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It seems to me there was NO plan in place to deal with the possibility that something like this could happen. It was negligent.
David Carson
2017-02-28 00:55:46 UTC
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Post by Sarah Ehrett
Beatty was obviously confused. Last night I reported what he'd said.
He's claiming today that the mix up was not his fault. I agree, the
mix up wasn't his fault but failing to say or do anything once he
realized things were not correct WAS his fault.
Only if he knew what was correct and what to tell people, which he didn't.
He was right to leave it to the people with the answers to do all the
explaining.
c***@aol.com
2017-02-28 01:02:50 UTC
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Turns out the accountant who was responsible for handing the correct envelope to Beatty was too busy tweeting and taking selfies that he screwed up.

It's also true Beatty knew something was amiss and instead of seeking assistance dumped the problem on a woman. Typical male pig.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-28 02:46:01 UTC
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Post by Sarah Ehrett
Beatty was obviously confused. Last night I reported what he'd said.
He's claiming today that the mix up was not his fault. I agree, the
mix up wasn't his fault but failing to say or do anything once he
realized things were not correct WAS his fault.
Only if he knew what was correct and what to tell people, which he didn't.
The envelop as well as the card inside were for Best Actress. He
knew he was to present the Best Picture award.
Post by David Carson
He was right to leave it to the people with the answers to do all the
explaining.
“We sincerely apologize to 'Moonlight,' 'La La Land,' Warren Beatty,
Faye Dunaway, and Oscar viewers for the error that was made during the
award announcement for Best Picture,” it read. “The presenters had
mistakenly been given the wrong category envelope . "
-- PricewaterhouseCoopers

Beatty should have said they had the wrong envelop.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-27 05:53:12 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:35:12 -0800 (PST), That Derek
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My new go-to response whenever I immediately want to change my mind is "I'm sorry; Warren Beatty opened the wrong envelope."
Excellent ! :)
That Derek
2017-02-27 06:32:06 UTC
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It only goes to prove that Price Waterhouse will correct an "award malfunction" live on-the-air if necessary.

About 25 years-plus years ago, Jack Palance won Best Supporting Actor for "City Slickers." As per custom, Palance awarded the Best Supporting Actress Award the following year. When the surprise winner was the hasn't-paid-her-dues-yet relevant newcomer ingénue Marisa Tomei, everybody thought a doddering Palance had read any ol' name from the card.

The Price Waterhouse guys, at the time, maintained that, yes, Ms. Tomei had legitimately won for "My Cousin Vinnie," and that, if indeed, Palance had announced the incorrect winner, then some PW overseer would have immediately corrected he faux pas.

Thus, after all these years, Marisa Tomei, Jack Palance, and Price Waterhouse Coopers have all been vindicated.
c***@aol.com
2017-02-27 12:26:44 UTC
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Vindicated? They are likely to now be fired for this shit show. It's their rep who hands the presenter the envelope.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-27 14:12:47 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 22:32:06 -0800 (PST), That Derek
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It only goes to prove that Price Waterhouse will correct an "award malfunction" live on-the-air if necessary.
About 25 years-plus years ago, Jack Palance won Best Supporting Actor for "City Slickers." As per custom, Palance awarded the Best Supporting Actress Award the following year. When the surprise winner was the hasn't-paid-her-dues-yet relevant newcomer ingénue Marisa Tomei, everybody thought a doddering Palance had read any ol' name from the card.
The Price Waterhouse guys, at the time, maintained that, yes, Ms. Tomei had legitimately won for "My Cousin Vinnie," and that, if indeed, Palance had announced the incorrect winner, then some PW overseer would have immediately corrected he faux pas.
Thus, after all these years, Marisa Tomei, Jack Palance, and Price Waterhouse Coopers have all been vindicated.
I remember Palance giving the award but had no idea of the back story.
c***@aol.com
2017-02-27 15:38:23 UTC
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Nobody could believe Tomei could've won because she sucks so the rumor got started but it wasn't true.
Michael OConnor
2017-02-27 11:12:07 UTC
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I don't watch the Oscars. I got up this morning and spent ten seconds scanning the list of winners and saved myself the three hours of speeches.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-27 14:10:31 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 03:12:07 -0800 (PST), Michael OConnor
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I don't watch the Oscars. I got up this morning and spent ten seconds scanning the list of winners and saved myself the three hours of speeches.
I didn't watch it either. I was checking the woodstove and saw that
the Best Picture was being announced so I stopped to watch it....and
WOW. :)
c***@aol.com
2017-02-27 14:11:43 UTC
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Shit show.
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-27 16:57:34 UTC
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Shit show.
Yes, you've conveyed your opinion several times.
Larc
2017-02-27 15:24:01 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 03:12:07 -0800 (PST), Michael OConnor <***@aol.com> wrote:

| I don't watch the Oscars. I got up this morning and spent ten seconds scanning the list of winners and saved myself the three hours of speeches.

I never watch it. Not interested in seeing the Hollywood crowd congratulating
themselves.

Larc
Louis Epstein
2017-02-27 17:33:42 UTC
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| I don't watch the Oscars. I got up this morning and spent ten seconds scanning the list of winners and saved myself the three hours of speeches.
I never watch it. Not interested in seeing the Hollywood crowd congratulating
themselves.
Larc
I was mainly watching Columbo and Kolchak reruns on MeTV when not upstairs
at the computer,and occasionally channel-switched to the award show,but
turned off the set at the La La Land announcement and found out there
had been a flub from Twitter.

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c***@aol.com
2017-02-27 17:54:22 UTC
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Shit show. It gets more hilarious with each passing minute. These smug assholes deserved this mess.
marcus
2017-02-27 15:47:18 UTC
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Post by Sarah Ehrett
Not Lala Land. Warren Beatty blows Presentation.
Lala Land up giving acceptance speeches and then had to be told that
they lost. Classy classy response by LaLa Land people.
So hysterical...awards shows are meaningless and dumb...this proves it.
That Derek
2017-02-27 17:25:30 UTC
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Warren Beatty is actually getting more publicity out of this event than he received for that moving-into-older-roles "comeback" film from last year.
marcus
2017-02-27 22:35:15 UTC
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Warren Beatty is actually getting more publicity out of this event than he received for that moving-into-older-roles "comeback" film from last year.
Really, what did he say as his comeback line?
Sarah Ehrett
2017-02-28 04:57:38 UTC
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Warren Beatty is actually getting more publicity out of this event than he received for that moving-into-older-roles "comeback" film >>from last year.
Really, what did he say as his comeback line?
" What an amazing comeback and win by the Patriots. Tom Brady, Bob
Kraft, and Coach B are total winners. Wow! "
-- Donald J. Trump @ realDonaldTrump
David Carson
2017-02-27 18:15:32 UTC
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There are now 103 living best actor and best actress Academy Award
winners. Eight are younger than Casey Affleck, 41, and two (Brie
Larson and Jennifer Lawrence) are younger than Emma Stone, 28. The
oldest winner is Olivia de Havilland at 100. The oldest best actor
winner is Sidney Poitier at 90.

It is quite common for the best actor winner to be more than a decade
older than the best actress winner in the same year, but the reverse
isn't exactly rare - see Eddie Redmayne and Julianne Moore, for
example, in 2015.

The earliest award year with both recipients surviving is 1972 - Gene
Hackman and Jane Fonda. The most recent award year with neither
surviving recipient is 1982, when Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn
won. The most recent award year with one surviving recipient is 2006,
the year the late Philip Seymour Hoffman won best actor.

The most recent death is Luise Rainier in 2014.

For more see
http://www.doadb.com/oscars.htm

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David Carson
2017-02-27 22:42:41 UTC
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There are now 103 living best actor and best actress Academy Award
winners.
Upon further inspection, the number is 79. Sorry.
That Derek
2017-02-28 17:06:06 UTC
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Regardless of the circus atmosphere that occurred, I actually thought it was a nice touch that Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty were invited by AMPAS to present the Best Picture award in recognition of the 50th anniversary of their landmark film "Bonnie and Clyde."

However, this got me to thinking if this might be a new Academy precedent. If they use this dynamic next year in honour of the 50th anniversary of a seminal 1968 film, who are the Academy going to get as presenters?

I am willing to wager that the choices WILL NOT be:

a) Keir Dullea and Gary Lockwood from "2001: A Space Odyssey" (although they'd both be perfect for special effects awards).
b) Olivia Hussey and Leonard Whiting from Franco Zeffirelli's "Romeo and Juliet"
(costuming wards?).
c) Dick Van Dyke and Sally Ann Howes from "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang."
d) any of the performers from "Night of the Living Dead," many of whom are on the autograph convention circuit.

If it's going to be a 1968/50th anniversary bellwether, "for your consideration":
Barbra Streisand ("Funny Girl")
Jane Fond ("Barbarella").
Mel Brooks ("The Producers")
Mia Farrow ("Rosemary's Baby") -- safe to invite her -- Woody Allen won't be there!
Sir Paul McCartney and Ringo (although their participation in "Yellow Submarine" was limited, it would be nice if they present the animation awards).
c***@aol.com
2017-02-28 17:35:00 UTC
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They also had Sidney Poitier a few years back on the 50th anniversary of his Best Actor win.

They should have showed some Bonnie and Clyde clips. Most of that audience never heard of the film.
marcus
2017-03-01 02:49:29 UTC
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They also had Sidney Poitier a few years back on the 50th anniversary of his Best Actor win.
They should have showed some Bonnie and Clyde clips. Most of that audience never heard of the film.
It's hard to believe that adults are obsessed with this.
c***@aol.com
2017-03-01 04:40:14 UTC
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And yet you posted about it.

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